Heaven Hell and Sikhism

spnadmin · #19 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2011, 11:15 AM

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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/5313-heaven-hell-and-sikhism.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5313

Several posts have been moved already. This has been a forum rule for years.
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #20 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2011, 18:42 PM

Spnadmin Ji,
humbly put that none of the "happiness" in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/Gurbani and in the lives of the Sikh gurus, Sikhs in history, is NOT the "hah ha ha " type.....as that is illusory and time limited whereas real Happiness is permanent and brings a genuine chnage in our lives. That is why Guru Gobind Singh ji is neither so "joyous" as we are at the birth of his sons...and is neither as "sad" as we would be to see death staring in the face overlooking the mud walls of Chamkaur..Guru Ji Himself wore the armour on Ajit Singh, handed him his weapons, double checked the sheath of arrows on his back and gave the horse a slap to send it out..to certain death. And looked on while the sahibzadah fought the Battle of His life..finally falling to the ground mortally wounded..and Guru ji let out a loud Jaikara thanking Waheguru..and turned around to see Jhujhaar Singh waiting to follow his brothers footsteps....and Guru Ji leaving Chamkaur with a loud clap declaring..Hind da Peer is Leaving..catch him if you can !! and clamly listening to the tale from Sirhind about how his youngest twins faced death bravely and with honour...demonstrates the SUKH and DUKH shown in Gurbani.
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. an anecdote from sikh history. A sikh wnated to know the menaing od sukh/dukh from Guru Arjun ji. Guru ji sent him to a far off village to visit a sikh Bhai feru Ji who lived there. The visitor arrived at the house of Bhai feru ji to see a wedding preparation in progress. He found out that Bhai Ferus son was getting married in 2 days time. When he enquired as to Bhai ferus whereabouts amongst this merrymakimg...he was told bhai ji is inside. Bhai ji was indeed inside busy sewing a Kaffan (death shroud). On being asked he said..this is the death shroud for my son who will die on his honeymoon night. And now lets go out and make merry he told his guest and join the others. The Guest from Guru ji was surprised..you know whats going to happen and you are not sad ? Sad ? for what ? its all in His HUKM..today i am HAPPY and when tomorrow comes there will be time to be sad..happiness and sadness are just like a pair of shirts...we change accordingly...day and night all in his Hukm....IF we are Overly Overjoyed at DAWN..then of course we will be Overly down in the dumps when DUSK arrives...BUT dusk and dawn will coem whether we are happy or sad..so why even worry..CHINTA Taan kee keejeah jo annhonnee hoeh says Guru Teg Bahadur ji in his bhog Sloks..Worry ONLY IF something out of the ordinary has happened...why worry about Death when everyone knows its CERTAIN to happen.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5313
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5313
This is NOT a fait accompli/oh i cant do anything about it type of helplessness situation.....its about ACCEPTANCE ...strength of character to accept things we cannot change and strength to change those we can. A Sikh is NEVER Helpless.

Randip Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2011, 23:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kds1980

waheguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji ki fateh

i daily hear katha of late gyani sant singh ji maskeen
he several time mentioned that there is no heaven no hell.a person living with all the worldly pleasures is living in heaven .on the other hand a person born on street
living on street sufferring from diseases is living in hell.so sikhism does not beleive in heaven or hell.both the places are on earth.

there is a debate about heaven and hell on the other sikh site . i posted the above matter but the other person said that sikhism do beleive in heaven
hell.so i want to know the views of intellectuals on this topic
bhul chuk maaf

You are correct Sikhism does not believe in heaven or hell. Sant Maskeen ji is 100% correct.

Ok, let us assume Sikhism assumes there is a heaven in Sikhism, then what is it's purpose? Is it Gods home? If so this contradicts the opening line of Mul Mantar that states God is everywhere and it is within all of us, and it up to us to realise it.