Evolution - Fact or Fiction?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #37 (**permalink**) 25-Jul-2005, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by muslim

hmm gyani, i just tried the link myself and it worked perfectly fine. Maybe the problem is that you are clicking on the divx file format which i much slower as the divx file is much larger. Try the mpeg file, either full each part individually and im confident it should work.

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Muslim Ji,
That worked. I wanted to woenload and burn it to CD as I have a DIVX player. So i played the mpeg file. Thank you. Most of the materials have been shown on discovery/national geographic/scientific explorer channels.

The Darwin Theory is fundamentally FLAWED because it begins with NO GOD....but this does not in any way prove that the Genesis Theory is correct either. Both theories have a basic Flaw. The World has an age of billions of years...the documentary itself shows that there are billions of galaxies and universes but the Bible and the Koran fail to even mention these..such a world could not have been created in just six days....and to say WAHEGURU 'needs a rest" is preposterous...jsut as the HEART beats 24/7..WAHEGURU also is at work 24/7..

These are my humble opinions...

Jarnail singh gyani

muslim · #38 (**permalink**) 25-Jul-2005, 15:01 PM

You are welcome Gyani, and thank you for taking time out to watch this documentary.

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

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The Darwin Theory is fundamentally FLAWED because it begins with NO GOD....but this does not in any way prove that the Genesis Theory is correct either. Both theories have a basic Flaw. The World has an age of billions of years...the documentary itself shows that there are billions of galaxies and universes but the Bible and the Koran fail to even mention these..such a world could not have been created in just six days....and to say WAHEGURU 'needs a rest" is preposterous...jsut as the HEART beats 24/7..WAHEGURU also is at work 24/7..

These are my humble opinions...

Jarnail singh gyani

Well Gyani, what are the other flaws within the genesis theory? You mentioned the flaw that the universe was created in six DAYS, well heres an article from a website which explains it better.

Six Days?

The Qur'an states that "Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days" (7:54). While on the surface this might seem similar to the account related in the Bible, there are some important distinctions.

The verses that mention "six days" use the Arabic word "youm" (day). This word appears several other times in the Qur'an, each denoting a different measurement of time. In one case, the measure of a day is equated with 50,000 years (70:4), whereas another verse states that "a day in the sight of your Lord is like 1,000 years of your reckoning" (22:47). The word "youm" is thus understood, within the Qur'an, to be a long period of time -- an era or eon. Therefore, Muslims interpret the description of a "six day" creation as six distinct periods or eons. The length of these periods is not precisely defined, nor are the specific developments that took place during each period.
After completing the Creation, the Qur'an describes that Allah "settled Himself upon the Throne" (57:4) to oversee His work. A distinct point is made to counter the Biblical idea of a day of rest: "We created the heavens and the earth adn all that is between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us" (50:38).

To sum up, its not six days but six long periods (yaum) and got did not rest after completion.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #39 (**permalink**) 25-Jul-2005, 17:17 PM

Thanks Muslim Ji.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/5251-evolution-fact-or-fiction.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5251
Another Flaw that I see in the Genesis Theory is How can the GENES of just ONE COUPLE Adam and Eve be enough to sustain the entire human race. It has been proven that INBREEDING/INCEST for just one or TWO generations begisn to Produce imbeciles/deformed babies. many many different couples are needed for gene variety. Can just one couple produce the great variety of Human races...Africans, Mongolians, Aryans, red indians, Pygmies, Blacks Yelow white etc ? How doe the Theory of Genesis fit in ? Please elaborate sir.

Jarnail Singh Gyani

DS777 · #40 (**permalink**) 08-Apr-2006, 14:22 PM

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It is neither entirely facts nor fiction. It is a theory. It has emerged from observatiions. It is something you believe to be true, but u ave no proof, just your observations. As soon as you find a contradiction in your observations, the theory dissolves.

You say the same thing about belief in God.

Secondly, Mr. Muslim, I can see that you have never been to Turkey where Mr. Yahya's (Adnan Oktar) own countrymen regularly ridicule and chastise him in the press. I respect his work on mainstream Islamic subjects and find them extremely inspiring, however, his scientific work is pseudo-intellectual at best.

Lee · #41 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 17:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Born without tusks? is that even possible? How? by hunting has this caused the DNA coding of an elephant to change?

i think you don't have knowledge about elepohants.in asian elephants
only male have tusks.and even not all males have tusks.male elephant without tusks are called makhna.with the hunting of male elephants
with tusks large number of makhna have the chance to mate with the females.so many male calves are born without tusks.if this will continue
the future generation of asian elephants will no have tusks.there gene pool is changing

This is indeed evolution in action.

Evolution is simply that thoese triats more conducive to survival get passed onto offspring whilst those not do not. The reason, well that too is very simple.

If I am a mouse with shorter back legs than my brother mice, then chances are I will be caught by the cat and killed. So no chance to mate and pass my short legs along to my children. My brothers with the long legs survice to mate, and so long legged mice prosper whislt short legged mice eventualy die out.

As with the elephants, to hunt those with tusks means that those without tusks get a better chance to mate, thus tuskless elephants. It really is that easy.

Another example, the flu virus. The present swine flu is nothing more than the old bird flu mutated and crossing speices.

There is a very good book that details all about evolution, Charles Darwins 'The theorory of evoltion by means of natural selection'. Really before you can speak out about evolution you should go and read it. You can still purchaes it in any bookshop, go, go out and buy it now.

Narayanjot Kaur · #42 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 20:46 PM

Lee ji

Thank you for an excellent illustration of how natural selection works as per Charles Darwin. It still holds true, simple -- but continually confused with ideas like survival of the fittest and inheritance of acquired characteristics. Do you have any idea why?

Lee · #43 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 21:08 PM

Narayanjot ji,

The term survivial of the fittest as has already been pointed out was not one that Darwin coined, it was in fact a contempory of his that first used it (not though for racist reasons as has mistakenly been said), and in fact Darwin did agree that it was a fitting phrase and in later editions of his book did use it himself.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5251

The misunderstandings come with the word 'fittest', it is meant, in this context, the 'best suited' rather then the strongest. So those creatures with atributes 'best suited' to survival (the long legs of the mice for example) would survive whilst those who's atributes did not 'fit' the bill were rather less fortunate. As with many words, context is king in understanding.

Narayanjot Kaur · #44 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 23:23 PM

Lee ji

Thank you for adding that extra layer of understanding about "survival of the fittest" which is misused as a rule, in the 18th Century and also today, to justify the political and economic right of the powerful to overwhelm those less powerful and less affluent.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5251

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5251
Originally the term "survival of the fittest" was used to justify a pure form of capitalism which tore societies apart in the early years of the Industrial Revolution. It was "coined" by the economist Malthus. Darwin's own adaption is interesting and I was not aware of that.