Namdharis

drkhalsa · #10 (**permalink**) 17-Jun-2005, 01:33 AM

Dear caramel

I would like that this in this world nothing is black or white evry thing is shades of grey

I mean that I dont want to judge naam dhari as wrong or right but I willtell you what I have experienced so far

I had a friend naam dhari from india we studied together and from living with him what i felt that naam dhari people are more orthodox in their beliefs about their own philosohy and as contrast to common sikhs they take more care about the uncut kesh and beard at first I was quite impressed that they are really following sikhi very well but soon I realised their sikh is also just skin deep i mean external just like many present day sikh
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/4227-namdharis.html

now why they are different my friend used to keep photograph of their guru (human) in room and used to light Jyot in front of photograph and this was the only treligious thing thing he used to do
now on the contrary I know some people who thinks gurugranth Sahib as just a book and belive that it was never given status of guru and last Guru Gobind Singh ji lived a secret life (hidden life that also at the time when whole sikh panth was in grave difficulty....which is really questionable) and passed on gurudom to next human form

now just to mention that sikh religion is the only religion that belives in shabad Gur or Word Guru no other religious philosophy parralel this now what naamdhari belive is which is already prevelent philosophy of following living guru I just mentioned it to show that we are so different that present day singh sabha sikh and naamdhari sikh cant be labelled under one label their is no doubt about it they have different philosohy
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=4227

Guru granth sahib ji cant be thought as last minute disscion of tenth guru to pass on guruship Instead it was well planned move to give existence to eternal guru the guide that can stay beyond physical existence for eternity now sikh philosophy cant be compromised at this point it would be totally wrong .

Like Gyani ji mentioned I would love to see a day when nammdhari would agree on these basic things and honour us to be part of sikh family

Randip Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 17:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Singhstah

No.

They cannot be called sikhs, because they lower the status of Satguroo Granth sahib ji Mahraaj, by saying guroo sahib is a book

naamdhari;s nirankaris their all the same ogvernment funded dushts.

The Namdhari's are in essence a cult, albeit a Sikh one. They do not represent mainstream Sikhism in so much they have a different Rehat Maryada. In this respect, the 3HO, AKJ, GNNSJ could be said to be cult because they follow divergent Rehat Maryada's.

THe Narankari's are two distinct and seperate parts. There are the Nakali Narankari's who are not Sikh's since they advocate embracement of teh 5 thieves, then their are the original Narankari's who have pretty much developed modern day Sikhism from teh 1920's onwards.

Narayanjot Kaur · #12 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 23:12 PM

DrKhalsa ji posted this way back in 2005. He makes some very good arguments.

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Originally Posted by drkhalsa

Dear caramel

I would like that this in this world nothing is black or white evry thing is shades of grey

I mean that I dont want to judge naam dhari as wrong or right but I willtell you what I have experienced so far

I had a friend naam dhari from india we studied together and from living with him what i felt that naam dhari people are more orthodox in their beliefs about their own philosohy and as contrast to common sikhs they take more care about the uncut kesh and beard at first I was quite impressed that they are really following sikhi very well but soon I realised their sikh is also just skin deep i mean external just like many present day sikh

now why they are different my friend used to keep photograph of their guru (human) in room and used to light Jyot in front of photograph and this was the only treligious thing thing he used to do
now on the contrary I know some people who thinks gurugranth Sahib as just a book and belive that it was never given status of guru and last Guru Gobind Singh ji lived a secret life (hidden life that also at the time when whole sikh panth was in grave difficulty....which is really questionable) and passed on gurudom to next human form

now just to mention that sikh religion is the only religion that belives in shabad Gur or Word Guru no other religious philosophy parralel this now what naamdhari belive is which is already prevelent philosophy of following living guru I just mentioned it to show that we are so different that present day singh sabha sikh and naamdhari sikh cant be labelled under one label their is no doubt about it they have different philosohy

Guru granth sahib ji cant be thought as last minute disscion of tenth guru to pass on guruship Instead it was well planned move to give existence to eternal guru the guide that can stay beyond physical existence for eternity now sikh philosophy cant be compromised at this point it would be totally wrong .

Like Gyani ji mentioned I would love to see a day when nammdhari would agree on these basic things and honour us to be part of sikh family

One question that I have. Should we call 3HO Sikhs a cult? The idea of cult has the notion of brainwashing. That has not been my experience of 3HO Sikhs. Also they follow the rehat followed by mainstream Sikhs, but add things like vegetarianism, numerology, astrology, hydrotherapy. And the things they add are related more to spiritual practice and not to rehat. Also they take Guruji as the 11th and last Guru after Gobind Singh. There are no human gurus among the 3HO Sikhs. In fact they warn against it over and over.

So would it be better to call 3HO a sect rather than a cult? I don't know anything about the others.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

Randip Singh · #13 (**permalink**) 15-Feb-2008, 14:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

DrKhalsa ji posted this way back in 2005. He makes some very good arguments.

One question that I have. Should we call 3HO Sikhs a cult? The idea of cult has the notion of brainwashing. That has not been my experience of 3HO Sikhs. Also they follow the rehat followed by mainstream Sikhs, but add things like vegetarianism, numerology, astrology, hydrotherapy. And the things they add are related more to spiritual practice and not to rehat. Also they take Guruji as the 11th and last Guru after Gobind Singh. There are no human gurus among the 3HO Sikhs. In fact they warn against it over and over.

So would it be better to call 3HO a sect rather than a cult? I don't know anything about the others.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

Call them a "Sect" then. Sorry for the use of Cult.

Narayanjot Kaur · #14 (**permalink**) 15-Feb-2008, 20:11 PM

Randip ji

Don't say "sorry." I was just really asking for some details.