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11-Sep-2012, 14:15 PM
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it's coming upto 9/11 and that reminds me of the hijacking pilots that killed in the love of connection thinking that they were doing no wrong.
| I disagree Luckyji, Islam by the very nature of its described heaven, is in possession of a reward system, and by its described hell, a fear system. Sikhism favours 24/7 connection, with heaven and hell a daily result.
I think those fellows were just thinking of the high breasted, non menstruating, non urinating angels in heaven, rather than any connection. Do you agree or disagree with the writer above? Why not share your immediate thoughts with us! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views... Gurfateh! | | The following member appreciates harry haller Ji for the above message. | |
11-Sep-2012, 20:16 PM
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we sikhs give way too much credence to writings OUTSIDE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji....
Wahiguru is one word that describes an aspect of God, and there are many more words that describe aspects of God, and others words like Prabh or Allah that just translate as God.
Guru repeatedly writes Har, Har, Har, Har etc and also uses combinations of God words of may kinds.
Bhai Gurdas and the Rehat Maryada apparently want to tell us that we can only meditate on Wahiguru and on 'Ik Ongkar ..... Gurprasad', which Bhai Gurdas, not Guru, calls gurmantr and mulmantr.
Why this restriction ? Why can we not meditate on any God-word as Guru does ?
Why follow the teachings of Bhai Gurdas if these contradict the Guru Granth Sahib ?
Remeber Bhai Gurdass Ji is the SCRIBE of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..He is also the mamaa Of Guru Arjun JI Sahib..He also wrote a LOT of POETRY...YET NONE of that poetry was given a place in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..while the Bani of Baba Sunder Ji is there !! Baba Sunder Ji wrote NOTHING except Ramklai SADD !! a Short Gurbani about the Passing ON of Guru Amardass Ji...
So its clear that Guru Ji found Bhai Gurdass Jis poetry WANTING !! and second point to consider is that what we SEE TODAY as Bhai gurdass JI Vaars/kabits have been CONTAMINATED/ADULTERATED. Biggest evidence of this ADULTERATION is the addition of a SPURIOUS FAKE VAAR by a FAKE ANONYMOUS AUTHOR at the END of Bhai gurdass Jis 40 vaars..as the 41st Vaar !! This adulteration went UN-NOTICED for Centuries..inspite of it STANDING OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB WHACKED Good and Proper with a HAMMER !! we IGNORED it like the proverbial fly in the ointment..makhee in the Milk !!..when our first reactions should have been WHATS THIS ??? WHY is it here ??? who put it there ??? NO WAY..Faced with the undeniable evidence that this 41st vaar could NOT be the creation of Bhai gurdass..we INVENTED a Name..BHAI GURDASS "SINGH" to explain away the anonymous author and his fake addition...its like the Mother of a Guilty Son tries lie after lie to convince the police that her son is do gooder, hardworking student..etc etc and he could never be a rapist or killer..when the police have solid evidence against him...When faced with the uncomfortable Fact that the 41st vaar is all about Guru Gobind Singhs period..so it just impossible to be work of Bhai gurdass of GURU ARJUN jis time...we LIE and convince ourselves.." Then IT MUST be Bhai gurdass SINGH !! how else could such a extra poem end up attached to the Vaars of Bhai gurdass ?? We never even stop to think..WHY would a Bhai gurdass SINGH even if he existed..go to such lengths to HIDE his vaar at the Back of the earlier Bhai gurdass ?? Why cant he own up to His own vaar ?? we apologise for such a FRAUD a cheater.. SO WHAT proof do we have that the earlier 40 vaars are TRUE 100% ?? Thye are not adulterated ?? LITMUS TEST...Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji GURBANI....anything that FAILS this Litmus TEST is FAKE. period. Thus the Waheguru gurmantar hai and the explanation of how Waheguru word is made up..BOTH FAIL on the basis of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurbani. PERIOD.  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
11-Sep-2012, 23:58 PM
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Ishna ji,
My intention is not to accuse you but point out the importance of the word Fear and the importance of the feeling itself. Focus on the rest of the post.
Lucky Singh ji,
While you are right to a point out that we should fear connection or fear doing wrongful action, I am talking about fear of God.
Fear of something God does is not fear of God himself. Although fear of something God does is a good start, it's getting close but it's not there exactly.
Gyani ji,
We do believe in Mantras. "practice of taking a single word and mouthing it repeatedly as a gurmantar" is " to always Hold Him in highest regard...a Sikhs head ONLY bows to HIM..."
There's absolutely no difference between those. It's like a Mother thinking about her child, she is constantly in repetition. Her mind is chanting the name of her child. Sikhs are no different, we chant the name of God moment to moment to remember him and to RECOGNIZE him every moment.
Why do you think that the Guru repeatedly writes Har har Har? ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹੇਤ ॥ - (810, Guru Arjan)
You are making it too easy.  Quote: | Guru repeatedly writes Har, Har, Har, Har etc and also uses combinations of God words of may kinds. | Yes the Guru meditates on Har. Waheguru is no different to Har. The Brahmins who praise the Guru in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji describes Waheguru (Wah Guru, wonderful teacher) very much like Har [link]. The Guru (Guru Ramdas ji) is seen as an incarnation of Har, thus not separate to Him.
Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars explains that in this age of Kalyug it is "Waheguru" mantra that will carry one across. He takes the role of a Sikh who sees his Guru as an "Extension" of Har (if you are not comfortable with incarnation), and that's why him and millions of Sikhs chant Waheguru. Quote: | Why this restriction ? Why can we not meditate on any God-word as Guru does ? | It's not a restriction. You can. You can Meditate on Hari if you want. It's the same thing. Quote: | Why follow the teachings of Bhai Gurdas if these contradict the Guru Granth Sahib ? | They don't. Period. You haven't accepted half the teachings in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (such as mantras) and thus you don't see how Bhai Gurdas fits into the teachings. Quote: |
YET NONE of that poetry was given a place in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
| Bhai Gurdas ji asked Guru Arjan to not include any of of his writings in the Guru Granth Sahib. Guru Arjan Dev ji then gave them the status of Kunji, the key to unlocking Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. [link]
This is very much true because both Bhai Gurdas I and Bhai Gurdas II give us the background to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The concepts are explained clearly and to the point. His writings are valuable simply because he is a contemporary of Guru Arjan Dev ji as well. | | The following members appreciate BhagatSingh Ji for the above message. | |
12-Sep-2012, 18:45 PM
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They don't. Period. You haven't accepted half the teachings in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (such as mantras) and thus you don't see how Bhai Gurdas fits into the teachings.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/39085-awe-waheguru.html
Bhagat Ji..there are Bhagats and there are Jarnails...you are a Bhagat..and I am NOT..so maybe you get more out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji than me..who knows...because Bhagats generally DO ACCEPT more teachings than Generals.....esp Mantras... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39085
I DONT swalllow SikhWiki hook line and sinker..I have my own criteria...and sources
Bhai gurdass does...Contradict Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..But you are entitled to your views... | | The following member appreciates Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
12-Sep-2012, 19:20 PM
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Haha you know there's probably some truth to that.
I thought I'd make it look more credible with a wikipedia link :P. Khushwant Singh also mentions it in his book referencing other historians I believe. And then there's the belief amongst the common Sikh populace. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39085
Do share the Vaar numbers where you think he contradicts Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, besides Mantras. | | The following member appreciates BhagatSingh Ji for the above message. | |
13-Sep-2012, 07:44 AM
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Bhagat Ji I will...  | | The following member appreciates Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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