An Outsider's Thought on the 5ks

chazSingh · #37 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 18:30 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Pity he did not extend that line of thinking to pictures of himself

There are 13 pictures of the great Yogi http://www.3ho.org/ on the first page, your argument is moot, my dear brother, I particularly liked the Yogi Calendar

unfortunately, as shown in all religions and followings...the many will get sidetracked and end up in the same mess...

But as Dear Ishna Ji said the 'Truth Seeker' will find the crumbs of truth and be guided.
We have to understand from their view point...they didnt know sikhi...not all follow sikhi...but to them he came and showed them some 'light' when they felt lost. That in itself is amazing, so to them pictures of Yogi ji would remind them of what he did for them.
The ones who were amazed with Sikhi may keep pictures of the Guru Ji's also.

In the end, at some point the need for pictures/photos dissapears when we draw closer and closer to God.

I should now do some actual work

.. god bless all and nice discussion even though we have guided the topic away again

Ishna · #38 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chazSingh

What is wrong with that? why would your friend want a spritual name? is Kaur not good enough? could this be what Yogi ji was implying?

whats with a spiritual name...surely singh for a male and kaur for a female would suffice.?

is this maybe not what he meant?

If someone came to me and asked for a spitiual name...i wouldnt need to be enlightened to reply back "here you go...have kaur" implying...isnt Kaur good enough for you?

Also, who replied to the email...was it Yogi Ji, or someone else as a messanger?

God bless all.

Chazji perhaps I was not clear.

The friend was very interested in 3HO at the time. 3HO offer to provide you with a spiritual name. She sent away for one. In the letter they sent her back with her new spiritual name 'something Kaur' it said something like 'Yogi Bhajan blessed women with the name of Kaur' implying that is was not Guru Gobind Singh Ji who did this, but the yogiji.

[update] Actually in checking my facts just now, it turns out Yogi Bhajan has given Kaur to women and Singh to men. http://www.3ho.org/spiritual-names/faqs/#faq4

Good on him! ...

Ishna · #39 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:03 PM

Of course, it could be said that I'm reading the FAQ incorrectly. Perhaps it is speaking specifically about the 'spiritual name' given by 3HO. And that's fine, Yogi Bhajan was free to arrange the names however he saw fit.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38767-an-outsiders-thought-on-the-5ks.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38767

But it does blur the line between amritdhari Sikh and the spiritual name of a yogi of this group.

harry haller · #40 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:13 PM

oh its gets better than that, Yogiji can also do a better job than the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !!

WHAT IF I WAS GIVEN A NAME FROM THE SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AT BIRTH?
Any name that comes from the Siri Guru Granth Sahib carries the divine energy and powerful language, Gurbani. If you meditate upon it, it can act as a guide in your life.
For some people, however, their given names – even if they come from the Siri Guru Granth Sahib – carry a lot of past associations, which may or may not have strong spiritual components. It is perfectly acceptable to ask for another name, knowing that this name is specifically for the purpose of building your spiritual identity and living your spiritual destiny. It is between you and your consciousness how you decide to approach it. In any case, it’s important to feel that your decision is right for you.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38767
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38767

What a guy! btw, the name Yogi Bhajan is mentioned 13 times on this page!

SaintSoldier1699 · #41 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:32 PM

Sikhism is simple living at its best. Kundalini seems complex and generally unheard of until 3H0 brought it to the West.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38767
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38767

So, how can something so simple be so complex ;-) if its for the masses?

Sikhism uplifts in a simple way, basic life lessons, associate with uplifted people and live a true doubt free life by not taking short cuts!

linzer · #42 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:40 PM

Yogi Bhajan gave them a cult to be attached to, one vice for another. Don't give me this "He was sooooo noble B******T. He was an opportunist who did this to make money which he made lots of.

harry haller · #43 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 19:51 PM

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he was an opportunist who did this to make money which he made lots of.

I don't think he made that much money myself, but do peruse some of his websites,

a real tribute to Sikhi!

http://www.akalsecurity.com/

http://www.goldentemple.com/

I feel these are clearly more interested in spreading the message rather than money making, unless I am missing something,

Chazji is right though, we are moving away from the topic, and this is like shooting fish in a barrel

chazSingh · #44 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 21:01 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

I don't think he made that much money myself, but do peruse some of his websites,

a real tribute to Sikhi!

http://www.akalsecurity.com/

http://www.goldentemple.com/

I feel these are clearly more interested in spreading the message rather than money making, unless I am missing something,

Chazji is right though, we are moving away from the topic, and this is like shooting fish in a barrel

God bless you.

should we stop opening businesses because we are truth seekers? you could argue that those business are for helping others? healthy food manufacturing? security for people?

god didnt create the creation so that we sit around in begging bowls..

i would think he wants us to share, earn honestly and seek the truth?

ofcourse there will be some rotten souls amongst there group..there are many in sikh circles and other groups ...but god bless the ones that are trying to live by these principles

i would think Happy, healthy and holy apply to all mankind and not just to their group.

chazSingh · #45 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2012, 21:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintSoldier1699

Sikhism is simple living at its best. Kundalini seems complex and generally unheard of until 3H0 brought it to the West.

So, how can something so simple be so complex ;-) if its for the masses?

Sikhism uplifts in a simple way, basic life lessons, associate with uplifted people and live a true doubt free life by not taking short cuts!

I agree, Gurbani is simple living...but why is 99.9% of the populations wondering around aimlessly? why are there forums like this fillled with 1000's of opinions over something written so simply in Gurbani?

Yogi Ji, got many many lost souls doing Amrit Vela, 5 banis, Simran, seva...even if only 1 of them is uplifted, then its a job well done

Yes, he got them doing Yoga, maybe those souls needed it.
I thank Yogi Ji, for inspring Snatam Kaur into Sikhi...she sings the most beautiful shabad that uplifts me every morning in Amrit Vela...even just for this...i thank him a thousand times

thousands listen to her kirtan around the world...see how something good comes out of someone's effort to uplift others? how the ripple of love expands and spreads. Yet we so quickly go back to the isms of religion and forget the message of love which is beyond all religion.

what would those souls be doing without his help? still taking drugs? still lost in doubt? i wouldnt be listening to Snatam kaur every morning

The masses will always find negativity in someone trying to do good...but thats why the masses are still drowning in Maya i suppose.