Simran Experiences - "As the inner vision is awakened, one comes to know one's own home, deep within the self"

TruthSatnaam · #64 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 20:36 PM

Satnaam Ji

I am a man, the minute I stop acting like a man, I am either dead, or I have attained complete understanding and enlightenment. Now I have to be honest with you, I am a realist, I have to this date, never met a man who had attained understanding to the point that he would not have been aware of a draw on one of his thieves, in fact, I am not sure I wish to be without this draw, its what makes me human, and not superhuman. I am happy and content with the fact that I can be discerning enough to know how to treat the opposite sex, even though I still have age old animal instincts. I understand these instincts, sometimes they are for good, sometimes for bad, it is a case of knowing which is good, and to embrace, and which is bad, and ignore, this is nothing to do with cleansing, more to live in peace, understanding and consonance.

Living in Naam is living in/practicing Truth. The point of practicing Truth is to silence the mind. When we go into samadhi, we are quieting our minds to the point that we can just Feel within our being.

When this happens, our hearts are freed from the shackles of the mind(origin of the 5 thieves).

It is then that we ae able to truly love- and discover the reality of the universe around us, for as you are aware- we are living in illusion.

It goes further than sitting down samadhi- when we practice Nirboah and Nirvair and apply Truth throughout our daily lives(see my previous posts), the samadhi comes on it's own- we learn as we eat, sleep and live and throughout our natural lives.

We orginated from the silence- and we go back to it again..

When we begin to live in Truth, we are opening our hearts- to learn as and how He wills it- silencing the mind. We go way beyond logic on this path- for logic is tied down by maya- we cannot comprehend the Truth reality while dwelling in maya.

When our hearts begin to open- and we silence our minds- we begin to experience the energies of others- a woman with uncontrolled lust may walk into your store- her lust triggers off your lust and you simultaneously confuse it for your own- you blame yourself.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38574-simran-experiences-inner-vision-awakened-one.html

And we are to blame- for the reality is that we are Nothing. If we lived this truth, we'd be beyond the crap and the illusions. Our logic cannot decipher the Truth- you need to feel/experience it.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

God throws these scenarios at us, to confuse the crap out of us, to bow down low, realising that His Truth is beyond our Ego's(Mind/thieves/logic) and that we cannot do anything.

God bless you

Ambarsaria · #65 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 20:51 PM

TruthSatnaam ji thanks for a good post.

I was doing my posting in the following and thought it may particularly apply to some of the dialog here,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sukhma...sabad-1-a.html

Some lines referenced from the above post below,

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Originally Posted by TruthSatnaam

Living in Naam is living in/practicing Truth. The point of practicing Truth is to silence the mind. When we go into samadhi, we are quieting our minds to the point that we can just Feel within our being.

It is then that we ae able to truly love- and discover the reality of the universe around us, for as you are aware- we are living in illusion.

ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ ਦੇਹੀ ਮਹਿ ਇਸ ਕਾ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮੁ ॥
Na▫o niḏẖ amriṯ parabẖ kā nām. Ḏehī mėh is kā bisrām.
Nine treasures of purity is the creator’s understanding. So residing in human body.

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Originally Posted by TruthSatnaam

.......... Our logic cannot decipher the Truth- you need to feel/experience it.

ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਅਨਹਤ ਤਹ ਨਾਦ ॥ ਕਹਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਅਚਰਜ ਬਿਸਮਾਦ ॥
Sunn samāḏẖ anhaṯ ṯah nāḏ. Kahan na jā▫ī acẖraj bismāḏ.
A continuous and unperturbed sound pervades such a body. Such cannot be so stated, being mysterious and different.

Sat Sri Akal.

chazSingh · #66 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 20:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthSatnaam

Satnaam Ji
Living in Naam is living in/practicing Truth. The point of practicing Truth is to silence the mind. When we go into samadhi, we are quieting our minds to the point that we can just Feel within our being.
Thank you ji for the enlightening words. I feel i am experiencing something like this now, i find it hard to explain, but the peace experienced fills me with joy. Sometimes the mind tries to interrupt, but i smile in meditation at the crazy things it flashes up. I think it's finally getting the message that i'm not interested in its logic, excuses, reasoning...it just holds you back, and if you want to experience all that is god, then the limits/shackles need to be let go of.

When this happens, our hearts are freed from the shackles of the mind(origin of the 5 thieves).

It is then that we are able to truly love- and discover the reality of the universe around us, for as you are aware- we are living in illusion.

While we are having a dream, to us it is reality for that period, but it's illusion, while we are in this life, it appears as reality for the period of our life, but its illusion...even beyond this life, most of it is still Maya until we hopefully return back home and realise all was and is God - One.

It goes further than sitting down samadhi- when we practice Nirboah and Nirvair and apply Truth throughout our daily lives(see my previous posts), the samadhi comes on it's own- we learn as we eat, sleep and live and throughout our natural lives.
This is why Simran and daily seva go hand in hand, both work off each other for the purpose of realising one-self and all that is around us.

We orginated from the silence- and we go back to it again..

When we begin to live in Truth, we are opening our hearts- to learn as and how He wills it- silencing the mind. We go way beyond logic on this path- for logic is tied down by maya- we cannot comprehend the Truth reality while dwelling in maya.
Another truth, described perfectly by yourself. the mind of logic was created for us to operate in this reality...having been en-slaved by the mind for so long, the time comes to get back to the truth and experience the truth - this cannot be done by the mind operating in 3 dimensional reality. From my understanding and experience.

When our hearts begin to open- and we silence our minds- we begin to experience the energies of others- a woman with uncontrolled lust may walk into your store- her lust triggers off your lust and you simultaneously confuse it for your own- you blame yourself.

And we are to blame- for the reality is that we are Nothing. If we lived this truth, we'd be beyond the crap and the illusions. Our logic cannot decipher the Truth- you need to feel/experience it.
perfect truth 'you need to feel/experience it'

God throws these scenarios at us, to confuse the crap out of us, to bow down low, realising that His Truth is beyond our Ego's(Mind/thieves/logic) and that we cannot do anything.
All is God, we have two choices, live by the will of the 5 thieves tormenting us, getting us into problems, mischief. happy when good things come our way, upset and angry when bad things occur.
Or to live in Gods will - pure unconditional love, no matter what happens, good or bad, all is god and only god exists so how can we not love each.
no fear (because only god exists), no hatred (who's to hate).
I know which state i would want to be in (but only by His grace).

God bless you

Thanks and god bless for such inspiration. This is why i opened this thread. True movement towards God realisation - seva - sharing - Simran.

TruthSatnaam · #67 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 00:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chazSingh

Thanks and god bless for such inspiration. This is why i opened this thread. True movement towards God realisation - seva - sharing - Simran.

No problem, anytime..

If you have any questions, drop me an email.

Satnaam Ji

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Luckysingh · #68 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

I am sorry Luckyji, I do not find this sewa at all.In my view sewa requires discretion, intelligence and foresight. I know it is tempting to help all and sundry, to just throw money at things, but you can easily cause more problems than solving. This brings me right to the crux of the problem with simran as described by yourself and Chazji. Your meditating and absorbing only the surface philosophies, therefore, the primary intention will always be the most obvious. Where is the thinking? Your simran has only taught you to give up your time and your money, as that is in line with 'doing good', but there is more to doing good than blindly giving up time and money.

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I think you are going off track here, if your read my post again you can notice that I was giving an example. But you are defining seva and classing things as seva and not seva. As Chazji mentioned, helping with dishes, giving your neighbour tea bags is ALL seva.
The point I was making is that when we start defining 'my seva' as you have done, this is when it goes wrong. This is when your 'ego' kicks in, the me,me,me,..I have done, I have done, I have done...Mine is worthy of seva.. Only mine is right...... etc...etc... ALL this fuels your EGO
This is the exact point that I'm making, it's too easy sometimes to do a certain seva, but what it does to your ego plays a huge part in how you use your MIND to control your 5 thieves.

Listen to this ego within, see what it's actually doing and making you think.
When you mention that it is all surface etc.. this again is the ego that is making you class yourself in a different boat. It's not just you, its every single one of us, we all do it to some degree. BUT trying to identify it is the only way forward to help you conquer it.
Now I can truly say that in my case the simran has helped me to identify, but I still have a long way to go.

Waheguru

Luckysingh · #69 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 07:35 AM

Living in Naam is living in/practicing Truth. The point of practicing Truth is to silence the mind. When we go into samadhi, we are quieting our minds to the point that we can just Feel within our being.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

When this happens, our hearts are freed from the shackles of the mind(origin of the 5 thieves).

Truthsatnaam ji,
Your post above is marvellous. This practicing the truth by silencing mind is the only way no matter how one approaches it.
The only way to conquer weaknesses and 5 thieves is CONTROL of Your MIND.
This is my only conclusion. We can't just remove them and eradicate them for good as some people mistakenly believe, but we have to constantly be at battle with them by SILENCING them.
Only then can the truth become stronger. But we have to keep at it all the time, we cannot measure or quantify it.

The more simran and meditation that I may do, the more avenues of areas I need to work at keep opening up. I'm convinced now that this is how it's supposed to be until the very last breath but I look forward to this journey to the Guru and his word.

Waheguru

Waheguru

sid · #70 (**permalink**) 10-Jun-2012, 16:06 PM

every things is very simple and straight in this world no need too twist,just listen our inner voice,inner conscience it always is same in all humans.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574
we just have to talk simple,live simple,help others,and ultimately dedicate every thing every deed at last to god,and if we have to dedicate ourselves to god the only way is simran jaap of almighty

arshi · #71 (**permalink**) 10-Jun-2012, 17:55 PM

Chaz ji

Please forgive for the audacity to raise this. I am a little intrigued by your form of greeting ‘Satnaam’. Sikhs use the greeting ‘Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh’ or its, less formal, short form Gurfateh. Sat Siri Akal is also used as a general form of address when Sikhs run into each other – fmore popular amongst non-amritdharis. Sat Siri Akal is also used by our Naamdhari friends, on stage and otherwise. Please do not see this as a criticism – just plain curiousity and passion to learn.

As I have indicated in my earlier post, I am extremely impressed by your humility and dedication to Gurbani, although I do not necessarily agree with the techniques you use – I just do not know enough about your exact approach and discipline and would rather not discuss it anyway – no offence meant. Some use the ‘swas swas’ technique whilst others speak of ‘swas giras’. Harry ji has his personal approach. However, he is very sincere and truthful in what he does – his courage to talk about his innermost feelings and private life is commendable - each to his own as they say.

I am much closer to the approach described by Jasleen ji (findingmyway - hope I got the name right). She wrote:

“Different people work differently and my understanding of Gurbani's references to simran are implementing Gurbani in your life, however that may be. For some it is the constant repetition of Waheguru. For me personally, that does not work at all. For me its always analysing myself, my words and actions, its doing voluntary work and it is working through my sehaj paath very slowly trying to understand Gurbani rather that reciting it only (no matter how much love goes into the recitation, it is not enough for me).”

However, I also try to attune myself to the Guru’s teachings through keertan, sometimes, including a brief chanting of Waheguru at home and on stage. I, personally, do not engage in endless chanting (at home or on stage). I have seen a lot of this on TV and on various stages but the protagonists do not appear to extend their activities to the welfare of the general society they live in – they just operate within their own circles and add to divisions and confusion within the Sikh Panth and families – brothers do not speak to brothers or eat at each other’s place. I actually know of such cases.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

Yes we have problems with the Jathedars but we cannot blame them for all our ills. We as a nation must also take responsibility – we need to unite and strive and bridge the schisms created by an endless queue of babas and deras – apologies to the ones who are genuine and stand up for the mainstream Sikh values and interests. I personally am not into babas but have admired one or two from a distance – neither am I, currently, a member of any group, mainstream or otherwise, but I do take part, as an independent individual, in social activities, including keertan.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

All of the above is meant in good spirit but apologies, nevertheless, for anything untoward in my post.

Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’

chazSingh · #72 (**permalink**) 11-Jun-2012, 17:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arshi

Chaz ji

Please forgive for the audacity to raise this. I am a little intrigued by your form of greeting ‘Satnaam’. Sikhs use the greeting ‘Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh’ or its, less formal, short form Gurfateh. Sat Siri Akal is also used as a general form of address when Sikhs run into each other – fmore popular amongst non-amritdharis. Sat Siri Akal is also used by our Naamdhari friends, on stage and otherwise. Please do not see this as a criticism – just plain curiousity and passion to learn.
Satnaam Ji, wjkk wjkf, sat sri akal...i use all of the above, in no particular order or popularity

The words/sounds of Waheguru and Satnaam have been with me since childhood when my mother used to tell me to jaap them and think about, be curious of God and Guru Ji.
Satnaam i like using amongst sangat because it signifies the existance of god in all of us. Ek ong kar - from the ONE came the SOUND and through the sound it expressed itself in form - KAR

Satnaam, the true naam, the presense of god within all, our true identity that we must remember and become once again.

So sometimes i greet other sangat members with Satnam

As I have indicated in my earlier post, I am extremely impressed by your humility and dedication to Gurbani, although I do not necessarily agree with the techniques you use – I just do not know enough about your exact approach and discipline and would rather not discuss it anyway – no offence meant. Some use the ‘swas swas’ technique whilst others speak of ‘swas giras’. Harry ji has his personal approach. However, he is very sincere and truthful in what he does – his courage to talk about his innermost feelings and private life is commendable - each to his own as they say.

I am much closer to the approach described by Jasleen ji (findingmyway - hope I got the name right). She wrote:

“Different people work differently and my understanding of Gurbani's references to simran are implementing Gurbani in your life, however that may be. For some it is the constant repetition of Waheguru. For me personally, that does not work at all. For me its always analysing myself, my words and actions, its doing voluntary work and it is working through my sehaj paath very slowly trying to understand Gurbani rather that reciting it only (no matter how much love goes into the recitation, it is not enough for me).”

I use only two mantras to be honest "satnaam" and "waheguru" only because i have a strong connection with them during my life. As soon as jap them, like a lightening bold i feel connected to Guru Ji. So much love behind those words, so i dont bother with any other mantra.

I jaap the mantra because when i focus on the mantra my mind is stopped from thinking of money, women, family bickering, greed, ego related desires. this gets easier to do because of the love that sits with the words/sounds of waheguru and satnaam.

The mantra is only to quieten the mind so that i can 'listen' deep within, or just relax in peace for once without the crap that litters the mind all day and night.

The surprise was, and i didnt expect anything more out of this other than to relax myself, there IS an inner light, an inner sound current, and only god knows what else...i'm on the train now...and i never want to get back off.

Guru Ji says
eik man eaek dhhiaaeeai man kee laahi bharaa(n)th ||
With one-pointed mind, meditate on the One Lord, and the doubts of your mind will be dispelled.

The 'one pointed mind' or 'Eik man' as described by Guru Ji is what the mantra helps with to obtain the one pointed mind during meditation, so that we can really listen deep in smadhi to and experience our real true selves. The satnaam within us all. and then just like guru ji says 'the doubts of the mind will be dispelled.

I can tell you that the doubts of my mind have been stamped on when everything i've read in gurbani over the years starts to become a 'REALITY' and i started experiencing it DEEP WITHIN just like gurbani said all along. Gurbani never lied to me, it's shown me finally that its all REAL

However, I also try to attune myself to the Guru’s teachings through keertan, sometimes, including a brief chanting of Waheguru at home and on stage. I, personally, do not engage in endless chanting (at home or on stage).

People need to get out of this thought that it is 'chanting'.

The mind does a lot of 'chatter' in our lives...why not make it chatter " border="0" alt="" />The soul 'listens', so when you chatter waheguru or satnaam in your mind, try to really listen to each sound, vibration...100% concentration to just them sounds. full focus. What you'll find is after a few moments of being able to concentrate 100% on the sounds, your mind will start to drift away to something else...you feel this..and when you do, shake it off, and then go back to 100% concentration on satnaam and waheguru. It does start to feel like a battle, because your mind doesnt let you do this concentration, but the love that you have for guru ji and the love that you have for the words Satnaam and Waheguru helps a lot.

It is this 'drifting of the mind' to other things, that the mantra is fighting.
you will start to notice that it is drifting to certain things like women, money, a family member you have issues with, desire for anything.
The more you practice, the better the ability to focus "eik man" "single minded" towards the mantra and the better you become at stoping the mind from thinking of the 5 thieve related thoughts.

The 'japping' and 'listing with 100% focus' by then has done its job and you become open to the GOD WITHIN YOU. to your SOUL. what happens then, well, its for you to find out but one thing i promise you, after the effort you make to break the entanglement with the mind, you'll never look back, you'll just keep going forward towards god. I vouch for it.

I have seen a lot of this on TV and on various stages but the protagonists do not appear to extend their activities to the welfare of the general society they live in – they just operate within their own circles and add to divisions and confusion within the Sikh Panth and families – brothers do not speak to brothers or eat at each other’s place. I actually know of such cases.
I cannot make judgement on these people lives after they have done some jaap on T.V. they may do a lot of other seva, or they may not be...but i cannot say everyone is like this. because i know i'm not like this.
lets just help each other, uplift each other..thats the only method i know.

Yes we have problems with the Jathedars but we cannot blame them for all our ills. We as a nation must also take responsibility – we need to unite and strive and bridge the schisms created by an endless queue of babas and deras – apologies to the ones who are genuine and stand up for the mainstream Sikh values and interests. I personally am not into babas but have admired one or two from a distance – neither am I, currently, a member of any group, mainstream or otherwise, but I do take part, as an independent individual, in social activities, including keertan.

All of the above is meant in good spirit but apologies, nevertheless, for anything untoward in my post.
Not sure why the topic of babs and deras has come up here. I'm not part of any but there definately are some real true people out there that have reached god consciosness, and if we cross paths with the True ones then that is beautiful grace.

God bless all.