Simran Experiences - "As the inner vision is awakened, one comes to know one's own home, deep within the self"

TruthSatnaam · #37 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 00:51 AM

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Only through experiencing do we truly learn.

In my case experiencing fast lane life and then giving it all up with the help of the lord through simran and learning from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, I feel I have learnt, only upto now though, As I have the rest of my life to learn even more, we carry on learning every day.- One can never know it all.

Tomorrow I will know a little more than today and tomorrow I hope to have more immense love for creator and creation than today.
As Sikhs, we have the perfect name for learners.

Learning the truth is never ending,as I said, I or anyone will NEVER know it all.
We should try to learn more and more each day until the very last day.
The simran is a nice tool for me that can help me learn and love much more.
Today there is more immense love for creator and creation than yesterday and tomorrow there will be more than today. This is how I want the rest of my life to carry on. This is from what I know now, at this moment, as tomorrow I may feel and know different and want my life another way.

Waheguru

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It's true that everyone in maya is experiencing God- for He is All. We understand though, that the first line of Gurbani specifies that His name is Sat(Truth). And hence- we focus on discovering the Truth.

This earth is a test world- our deeds- good and bad are counted- the game of Karam is perfect. Life is simply a game to discover Truth- it is the reason we are here. Yes we can marry maya for a while according to His will due to our past deeds- but we are here now- every single person who visits this forum has been given an oppertunity to join the path.

Knowing now that life is a game to discover Truth, getting caught up in wordly pleasures(attachment/greed/ego etc.) would be foolish. One may argue that if we do not experience all worldly things- we will not learn. The fact is that when in Truth- we are experiencing/embracing the whole- both experiences of Dukh and Sukh- hence fragments are of no value. This gyan is beyond logic- it must be experienced.

When we're in Truth- we are opting out of the khel. When we stop living sukh- the dukh we are fed lessens- for we are fed an equal amount of both.

We start to detach from the worldly experience chase when we begin to live in Truth- from that point- we begn to actually delete our negative karams instead of creating more by continuing to embrace wordly(false) sukh (hence creating more dukh).

We continue to keep paying off our karams while living in Truth until one day- we Become free of the game= Jivan Mukht.

On this path, we have zero desires(we are Nothing/ there is Nothing afterall so what is there to desire in Truth?) and zero conditions. This is unconditional Love. Even if He decides to make us fall- we accept the karam, get up and keep moving. Even if He decides to free us after 100 more janams or 2 million more- we accept. Even after we reach the unshakable state of Atal Awasth- the journey does not end- it is Infinite like Him.

Satnaam Ji

TruthSatnaam · #38 (**permalink**) 02-Jun-2012, 18:40 PM

Satnaam Ji

in Sikhi: ]Guru is the bani (shabad/word) and bani (shabad/word) is the guru
in christianity: in the beginning was the Word (shabad), the word was with god...the word WAS GOD

It's crazy how Truth principles still remain(although many religions have been very corrupted by scholars who twist Brahmgyanis words) in different faiths- showing the Truth to be One, yet people still like to segregate themselves in Ego.

In our reality exists the outer world, and the inner world (within our own body)

When the bhagat reaches a certain point of realisation they understand that the outer world is the same as the inner world- We Are the Entire Creation- the journey is within- and we go deeper when we embrace this fact(Nirboah and Nirvair)- for we are able to let the universe be without resentment- and there is Silence

on the inside exists the Anhad Shabad (unstruck sound current/Shabad/the word)
on the outside exists the Sound current/shabad/word in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

While we cannot at first hear the inner sound current. We can start to meditate on the outer word/shabad/gurbani. This will eventually tune your consciousness into being able to hear the inner sound current.

The inner sound is the same as the outer. Naam is Truth- it is a Frequency of a Balanced Gyan that applies across a universal spectrum(All pervading) that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nasha of the discovery(highs and lows- to remain in the balance i.e Truth i.e the Frequency of God).

Anhad naad is symbolic reflection of this Truth/silence- In the Truth even sound doesn't exist. Eventually the Naad quietens down to Nothing.

There are two stages if your thirst, hunger and Love exists to experience god...only then do you get the gurpursaad.

1st stage
najar bhee ghar ghar thae jaaniaa ||2||
As the inner vision is awakened, one comes to know one's own home, deep within the self. ||2||Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Raag Gauree , 153

The inner vision is the Hukam. Once we open our minds and hearts to learn as and how he wills it- not according to our own expectations and requirements- we actually begin to See and Recognise the tests he's giving us and the lessons he's teaching us- to recognise His line of communication. He teaches us gyan from within..

I am 32 years old, was a disgusting shameless sinner

Join the club- we are all sinners and traitors in one way or another- But one of His virtues is that He is all loving beyond measure(Nirviar and Nirboah). So don't ever dwell on the past- the past is the past and the future is out of sight- Only this precious moment matters.. You just do your best not to make the same mistakes again

...i still Sin,

It's important that as Bhagats- we don't drink or smoke(causes spiritual weakness, enhances vices) and we keep the vices in check with simple simple Truth application

but the thirst for Guru Ji was welling up so much i was going to explode, and Guru Ji has awakened this inner vision. I now am Shown this inner vision every day when i meditate and do Simran. I say that i am shown, because i don't actually do anything...its all guru ji...i'm just the spectator. The visions are beautiful...sometimes you can feel the true amrit inside cleaning you up

A really important thing on this path is not to get attached to imagery- the Jivan Mukht does not need symbolic reflection to aid their discoveries- when we focus on the Truth of the Nothingness(For that is the Truth from where we all originate) anything else happens naturally
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38574-simran-experiences-inner-vision-awakened-one.html

2nd Stage:

When you mediate on the word, the shabad, the gurbani. Sounds/vibrations of Satnaam and Waheguru...your consciosness is being lifted very gradually to prepare you for hearing the inner Word/Shabad.

gur kee baanee naam vajaaeae ||
Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, the Naam resounds; Raag Aasaa
362

At the moment during my meditation/Simran i have not come across the inner Anhad shabad. but it WILL happen when the time is right and when i am ready for it.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38569
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

By His Grace, you listen to the sound current of the Naad
Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Raag Gauree, 270

At first it will sound like drums and various instruments that we are already accustomed to:

It can be different for different people

God Bless you

chazSingh · #39 (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2012, 22:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Chazsingh ji I am losing track of what you are postulating here.Can you please perhaps help and clarify specifics as,

Are you repeating words, lines or parts of Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and please share exact unless you are doing all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji from start to finish or any other way!

I meditate on the Mantras 'Satnaam' and 'Waheguru', sometimes both...sometimes Mool manter, sometimes in deep meditation the mantra stops and it's pure silence. initially it was mechanical...now it just flows as it pleases, switching from one to the next. All his HIM.

How you plan to read or relate to rest of Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji aside from your Simran

I dont plan...All is HIM...there is no 'I' involved
Guru Ji shows and explains me the 'WAY'...by His grace i sit in deep contemplation and though. Through his Grace he shows me what he wants or what He thinks i need to know or see. Doubts start to disspear. Fear starts to depart...all his him...whats to fear?

He dips you into the mansarovar, then when you return to Gurbani, the meaning has evolved...it means even more to you than before...

You continue your journey, deeper into mansarovar, then when you return again, other verses, paats start to unlock and illuminate you further.

Its endless. mind is now open to Him...the journey has begun to understand that all is HIm and only He exists.

Mansarovar is infinately deep...so dont profess to be anywhere spiritually...by His grace my actions will become His, pure and sweet.
hopefully the 'I' Ego will dissolve.

If Simran is supposedly creating freedom why are you at the same time identifying dependencies and almost show manifestations of fear in bad dreams, etc., when you miss Simran?

Until Jeevan Mukt, 5 thieves are dragging us all around. I suffer at their hands immensly, but through Simran they have now started to appear as seperate entities...i am aware of their workings and through further Simran and Gurus Grace i can have them in complete control.

Fears, anger, hate, hurt, ego, karams exists in the subconscios mind (to my understanding and experience). From my experience (may be different for others) Simran puts you face to face with your evils 5 thieves. Sometimes they manifest in my dreams.

From my experience the Simran is working to eradicate these fears, evil thoughts etc. Its the Amrit at work.

Others may not have dreams, the cleanup process may manifest in other forms, or the level of 5 thieve control may be less in others. Like i said, i;m a filthy sinner and guru ji is helping to clear it all.

I am sorry I will not comment on Yogi Bhajan stuff as he is not here to defend himself and there is no question many people felt or got lot of good through his teachings. I personally would not have found much use for his teachings as Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is pretty simple to understand if you approach it with love.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is perfect and simple! yet the mind makes it so complicated as we see with the questions and thoughts in this forum and others.

Sat Sri Akal.

God bless you and all the Sangat

chazSingh · #40 (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2012, 22:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

Learning the truth is never ending,as I said, I or anyone will NEVER know it all.
We should try to learn more and more each day until the very last day.
The simran is a nice tool for me that can help me learn and love much more.
Today there is more immense love for creator and creation than yesterday and tomorrow there will be more than today. This is how I want the rest of my life to carry on. This is from what I know now, at this moment, as tomorrow I may feel and know different and want my life another way.

Waheguru

Thanks for the post LuckyJi, exactly why i wanted to set up this thread, full of useful insight, how simran has helped you, difficulties etc etc.
Actual experience and practical feedback from you.

With regards to Yogi Bhajan Ji and dreams. I personally think he was BrahmGiani - he never said this, no true brahmgiani does.

ma(n)nae kee gath kehee n jaae ||
The state of the faithful cannot be described.

The state of their awareness, mind and being, i'm guessing will be way beyond the rest of us. So maybe he doesn't dream and is aware of everything whilst in sleep?

This is something maybe we'll all be able to answer as Guru Ji keeps us progressing on this path.

God bless you and the sangat.

chazSingh · #41 (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2012, 22:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthSatnaam

Satnaam Chaz Ji

One of the first things i started realising on this path is that the Ego should be held to one side as much as possible. That we should never think that we are the doer, or that our efforts are providing the experiences.

Beautiful, when we hold this stance, the evolution can occur naturally and it becomes easy to recognise His line of communication....

EVERYTHING is him, we are just the spectator. Even the thoughts or the motivation to sit and meditate or do Seva is his Grace, his Will that is doing everything.

I for one, don;t care where i am spiritually, or what realms i traverse through. As of yet i haven't felt scared or un-comfortable with what i've experienced and that I hope is the love for Guru Ji that always protects me. Always keep hold of the sounds and vibration of Waheguru and Satnaam, they'll keep you moving in the right path and safely.

Great, living in Truth is living in Hukam- We learn what He wants us to learn as He wants us to learn it- All on His terms

Going further, we apply the gyan continuously that it's All Him- accepting the hukam fearlessly and lovingly- not reacting in maya(the theives).

My biggest blockage was to accept and believe that God is within me, and that i don't need to go anywhere but to understand that all can be experiences within. Once i got over that blockage i started to understand that God is one with me at all times and it is He that is meditating with me

This will open you up to all that is Him.

Yep, He's with us, All around us- where is He not? He never left us..

Everything is is Gurbani, both the technology and info of the spiritual path.

Living Gurbani is what the bhagat does- The Gyan is the Guru and the Guru is the Gyan.

God bless you all on your journey.

God bless you too

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Thank you Ji for all the useful information. all your posts have been very infomative for any idividuals that guru ji is inspiring to move a long this path.

God bless the sangat

chazSingh · #42 (**permalink**) 03-Jun-2012, 22:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthSatnaam

When the bhagat reaches a certain point of realisation they understand that the outer world is the same as the inner world- We Are the Entire Creation- the journey is within- and we go deeper when we embrace this fact(Nirboah and Nirvair)- for we are able to let the universe be without resentment- and there is Silence

Yup, i've even heard the outer world is a projection from the inner self. That we create our reality from within. Something very useful maybe for the ones taking this inner journey.

The inner sound is the same as the outer. Naam is Truth- it is a Frequency of a Balanced Gyan that applies across a universal spectrum(All pervading) that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nasha of the discovery(highs and lows- to remain in the balance i.e Truth i.e the Frequency of God).

Anhad naad is symbolic reflection of this Truth/silence- In the Truth even sound doesn't exist. Eventually the Naad quietens down to Nothing.

Yup, Naam is everywhere and in everything...
The anhad naad, something i haven't experienced as yet. Something
i don't look for, whatver occurs or does not occur...the peace felt duing Simran is amazing enough. All else i leave to Guru Ji.

It can be different for different people

I have no doubt about that. What you also mentioned about not getting attached to any imagery is of utmost importance.
I concentrate as much as possible to the vibration of the mantra when/if any imagery occurs...i feel this helps to remain detached from it.

And ofcourse, nothing can happen without the Love and Devotion. Most important ingredient.

God Bless you

Thank you Ji. God bless you and everyone.

Luckysingh · #43 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 11:30 AM

Thanks for the post LuckyJi, exactly why i wanted to set up this thread, full of useful insight, how simran has helped you, difficulties etc etc.
Actual experience and practical feedback from you.

I have explained how in my case simran and meditation has helped me achieve something that I had no idea I would achieve.
What I'm trying to say here is when people start and take on a new task, they expect some results or set a target to achieve.
I, on the other hand just needed to meditate in order to break away from my fast and busy lifestyle. But I had not set any goals as to become more spiritual or having more love for the Lord. It was definitely a more physical approach to try and relax my body and mind. I had tried many other forms of relaxation, but found that I would still always be timing myself and my mind would be on other things.

As I got into it slowly, I found that I was getting better at doing it and it was definitely invigorating my mind as well. This somehow seemed to take all the concerns and worries that may have been on my mind.
Not long after I started feeling this immense love for creation and creator. I realised that I'm just a small dot in the universe, yet we all feel that we have all the worries in the world!!
All these feelings that we have come from our mind. In a sense they are all self inflicted. I soon felt, that any one of us can easily rise above all this if we try and so eradicate these feelings and fears.

In fact, this is how I feel know. The simran has helped shape me into a better individual. I am much more calm that it seems unbelievable at times. Sometimes I actually feel there might be something wrong with me since I don't feel any of the worries or fears that others around me will be experiencing. So, I can in fact say that the simran has changed my charachter and bought out the best in me.

I do wish that I had felt like this much long ago, as then I wouldn't have made the mistakes that I did.
The other thing that has resulted from simran and meditation is my inreased spirituality.
This again is not something that I went out looking for, but it has automatically got much stronger.

I also feel in better harmony with all of the creation around me. It is such that I feel very appreciative and thankful for the simple natural things around me.

As to actual experiences during simran, these can be very varied. They can range from seeing colours and shapes to hearing the word vibrating within every bone of your body. It seems that all your senses seem to wake up giving sensations of sound, feelings of hot and cold, pleasant tastes and smells.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38574

As to problems, I don't encounter any at all. Maybe because I don't expect or hope for anything.
I do feel much more anand when I read and recite the Japji sahib such that I find the shabads from the paath carry on in my conscience throughout the rest of the day and even whilst I am sleeping.
It does strenghten my spirituality a great deal and makes me much more closer to the God within and around me.

Waheguru

Ambarsaria · #44 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 11:45 AM

Luckysingh ji thanks for your post. I am much impressed with your descriptions and experiences.

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

I do feel much more anand when I read and recite the Japji sahib such that I find the shabads from the paath carry on in my consciousness throughout the rest of the day and even whilst I am sleeping.
It does strenghten my spirituality a great deal and makes me much more closer to the God within and around me.Waheguru

Perhaps unfortunately, I am not into Simran practice at the moment. What I do want to share is something different.

When I try to attempt translations of Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I get a feeling that I am seated in front of Guru ji or say Baba Farid ji. So the words are not just something that you read on a screen and apply grammar or other rules to. It actually at some time was so verbally announced to the lucky one's by Guru ji's and others. In this state of mind the words unfold quite differently versus how one would just read things. I believe if one can link to associations through Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it may enhance and enrich our experiences with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Any way some thoughts or craziness.

Sat Sri Akal.

findingmyway · #45 (**permalink**) 05-Jun-2012, 05:53 AM

I once saw a very wise Gyani doing katha and one thing he said in particular has always stuck with me. We would never treat our grandfather the way we treat Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If we were to sit our grandfather in a corner and tell him, "Please sit in the corner and be quiet. We won't listen to what you are telling us but we will dress you in nice clothes, pay our respects and continually repeat your name. That is enough respect but we won't listen to you at all." Grandfather ji would understandably be extremely angry and upset at such treatment but this is exactly how we treat Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There should be more effort and time spent on understanding and implementation imho. Otherwise all the simran in the world is useless. When I see the same people who do simran for hours on end being rude to other people or fighting in Gurdwaras it greatly saddens me as the message of Gurbani has been lost to simran.