Supernatural Sikhs, what do you think is it true? What is your opinion?

Luckysingh · #10 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 08:42 AM

Miracles can happen, believe me.
I have with my own eyes witnessed what physics cannot explain. I have seen what most will say the impossible. I can't discuss exactly what, but believe me, I saw, I knew and then I believed.

We shouldn't ever underestimate the power of the lord. Sometimes, he can surprise us completely. As long as we learn from the happenings is what really matters. Not the magic of the moment.
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'God works in mysterious ways' is a famous phrase from a poem.
I often find myself saying this as some conclusion to myself.
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 13:15 PM

SIKHS are SIKHS and will always remain SIKHS..the poochh *tail of SUPER is as unnecessary an appendage as areal tail is to a human being...

Guru Arjun Ji on the Hot Plate being roasted alive, and then BOILED alive ina pot and having super heated snad being poure dover his head and body..remember this is all during the HEIGHT of the Indian Summer where OUTSIDE ambient temperatures often reach as high as 40degrees Celcius in the SHADE !!..and people outside die of HEATSTROKE...YET Guru Arjun ji survived all these for 3 whole days..and on the 4th day WALKED towards the River Ravi to have his bath..!!

Baba Mani Singh ji being cut JOINT by JOINT...one finger has 3 joints..thumb has 2..chopped off one by one..excruciating pain...bit by bit...but not even a Grimace much less screams...

Baba banda Singh bahadur ..his flesh being torn by red hot pincers..pinch by pinch...eyes blinded by hot rods..his toddler sons still ebating heart torn out and put into his mouth...not a grimace or scream just Waheguru..waheguru..

Shabegh Singh subegh Singh torn apart in geared wheels running in opposite directions tearing flesh and crushing bones...the only sound is Waheguru waheguru..

Bhai taru Singh with hsi scalp removed by sharp blades...Bhai Mati Dass Ji being SAWED ALIVE forom HEAD to Toe..not DYING until his Japji was completed..(Brain sawn asunder should result in instantaneous death ??) Bhai sati dass ji wrapped in cotton soaked in kerosene and set on fore..Bhai Dyala Ji boiled like a potato...all WAHEGURU WAHEGURU...

ALL JUST SIMPLE SIKHS...not one or two..HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.....and the line stretches to 1984 Golden temple....Streets of delhi.....TODAY !! The so called Terrorists who died fighting in the cane fields of Punjab... Single handedly versus hundred s of well armed professional indian army....and the most modern weapons....simple SIKHS..NOT "super"...natural or un-natural..becasue GURMATT doesn't believe in such supers...

harry haller · #12 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 15:20 PM

Luckyji

I do not doubt your experiences brother, I too have had some similar experiences, like the time I got a whole month out of my last Range Rover without it breaking down, so I understand completely the nature of supernatural phenomena.

In all seriousness, I have escaped death/serious injury by a whisker about 12 times now, and each time I am thankful that Hukam was in my favour, each time it has has happened it has left me feeling more and more like my life belongs to the force behind the Hukam, the Creator, it is not my life anymore, it is Creators.

Sikhism stands for what the human body can endure and achieve, for the intellectual heights than can be reached, all within the boundaries of reality, miracles are like fetishes, to satisfy just the once is never enough, people want more and more, until a preacher becomes a magician, and the message is lost in the light show, the light show becomes the message

chazSingh · #13 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 17:25 PM

Satnaam Sat Sangat Ji,

To understand these so called miracles, you need to understand Maya and the world/creation we live in and why the Gurus and all other saints manifested.

1.God created the creation to experience himself....it was a way for the un-seeable to be seen.
2. From the ONE, he created the MANY. All of us in the creation are the MANY...but we have the same makup as the ONE. Like water droplets taken from ocean.
3. In Satyug, we were aware that we were partaking in the creation. We were aware that we were souls, connected to god, and experiencing the creation. Miracles DIDNT exist because we were god conscious and connected to the whole of the creation and capable of anything.
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4. over thousands/millions of lifetimes we have become attached to the creation, entangled with the mind (computer) and forgotton that we are SOULS. Like a child playing a computer game, if played for too long they may start to think they are the character in the game and forget who they really are. This is why attachment is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we all think reality is reality, the things we own to be everything....but we are just actors in a play. Do you know, some hollywood actors practice for years to act/become the person/character that they will be playing in the film. Their family and friends say that it takes the actor many months to become themSELVES again after the film has been made. Their mind gets attached to the character.
5. to prise open this attachment to the creation with a crowbar, God sent in 'enlightened' beings/souls to AWAKEN us, but these enlightened souls know that they are dealing with the minds of entangled beings....our minds keep asking millions of questions, why this, why that, but how, need proof, show me, i dont believe etc etc etc. This is what the gurus had to contend with. and why these forums are full of these sorts fo question.
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To the mind (computer) things appear to be miracles.
To a being that has realised his TRUE SELF i.e. Satnaam. that he is a god particle, miracles are not miracles...they are the NORM. they are our true capabilities.

Satnaam Harry Ji, Science and Sikhi do not need to mix, they are one and the same.
Science exists due to the Rules created by God, when we study science all we are doing is analyzing these rules.

BUT, rules exists because the mind is a computer....it needs values, it need numbers, it needs formulas, and reasoning, without this reasoning the mind will cease to function.
When our mind see's something it doesnt understand, it becomes labelled as a miracle

BUT, our soul is beyond all of this...it is beyond space and time.
We need to snap out of this attachement and Ego with the creation as we are all not behaving like god souls. This is why god sends in enlightened souls. When an AWAKEN soul see's a miracle...to him it is not a miracle, its is the TRUE SELF at work. Satnaaaaam.

God bless all.

If we understand all of the above we can start to understand almost everything.

chazSingh · #14 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 17:32 PM

Satnaam Sat Sangat Ji,

To understand these so called miracles, you need to understand Maya and the world/creation we live in and why the Gurus and all other saints manifested.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38543

1.God created the creation to experience himself....it was a way for the un-seeable to be seen.
2. From the ONE, he created the MANY. All of us in the creation are the MANY...but we have the same makup as the ONE. Like water droplets taken from ocean.
3. In Satyug, we were aware that we were partaking in the creation. We were aware that we were souls, connected to god, and experiencing the creation. Miracles DIDNT exist because we were god conscious and connected to the whole of the creation and capable of anything.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38543
4. over thousands/millions of lifetimes we have become attached to the creation, entangled with the mind (computer) and forgotton that we are SOULS. Like a child playing a computer game, if played for too long they may start to think they are the character in the game and forget who they really are. This is why attachment is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we all think reality is reality, the things we own to be everything....but we are just actors in a play. Do you know, some hollywood actors practice for years to act/become the person/character that they will be playing in the film. Their family and friends say that it takes the actor many months to become themSELVES again after the film has been made. Their mind gets attached to the character.
5. to prise open this attachment to the creation with a crowbar, God sent in 'enlightened' beings/souls to AWAKEN us, but these enlightened souls know that they are dealing with the minds of entangled beings....our minds keep asking millions of questions, why this, why that, but how, need proof, show me, i dont believe etc etc etc. This is what the gurus had to contend with. and why these forums are full of these sorts fo question.

To the mind (computer) things appear to be miracles.
To a being that has realised his TRUE SELF i.e. Satnaam. that he is a god particle, miracles are not miracles...they are the NORM. they are our true capabilities.

Satnaam Harry Ji, Science and Sikhi do not need to mix, they are one and the same.
Science exists due to the Rules created by God, when we study science all we are doing is analyzing these rules.

BUT, rules exists because the mind is a computer....it needs values, it need numbers, it needs formulas, and reasoning, without this reasoning the mind will cease to function.
When our mind see's something it doesnt understand, it becomes labelled as a miracle

BUT, our soul is beyond all of this...it is beyond space and time.
We need to snap out of this attachement and Ego with the creation as we are all not behaving like god souls. This is why god sends in enlightened souls. When an AWAKEN soul see's a miracle...to him it is not a miracle, its is the TRUE SELF at work. Satnaaaaam.

God bless all.

If we understand all of the above we can start to understand almost everything.

SaintSoldier1699 · #15 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 17:45 PM

Miracles seem to always be "supernatural" feats when in reality simple things we take for granted are in fact miracles! Such as the Earth spinning in space, the sun being the correct distance from the Earth to sustain life, human's the most complex organism, how we have progressed from our cave man state.

Yet we focus on so called events of miracles which are poorly documented and scientifically unprovable. I don't think we need stories to enhance our faith, what the Guru's did in their lives is beyond impressive. They established towns/cities/infrastructure/hospitals/soldiers/revolutions etc etc the list is endless yet we all love to listen to tall stories and blindly argue about the genuineness of the events with "non believers".
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Baba Deep Singh was a true warrior who gave his head to the Lord, who fought to his death for a just cause, why we have to go beyond this and say he fought with his head on his palm, which led to extravagant picture being drawn to depict the event and songs etc etc. It just seems time and strong emotions make historic events like these more magical/miracle based.
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I haven't met anyone who has seen a miracle. I've heard tall stories but they are stories people have heard. Also, a miracle is in the perception of the believer, if I'm looking for one I will find one!

To me life and everything that surrounds it is a miracle.

chazSingh · #16 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 18:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintSoldier1699

Miracles seem to always be "supernatural" feats when in reality simple things we take for granted are in fact miracles! Such as the Earth spinning in space, the sun being the correct distance from the Earth to sustain life, human's the most complex organism, how we have progressed from our cave man state.

Yet we focus on so called events of miracles which are poorly documented and scientifically unprovable. I don't think we need stories to enhance our faith, what the Guru's did in their lives is beyond impressive. They established towns/cities/infrastructure/hospitals/soldiers/revolutions etc etc the list is endless yet we all love to listen to tall stories and blindly argue about the genuineness of the events with "non believers".

Baba Deep Singh was a true warrior who gave his head to the Lord, who fought to his death for a just cause, why we have to go beyond this and say he fought with his head on his palm, which led to extravagant picture being drawn to depict the event and songs etc etc. It just seems time and strong emotions make historic events like these more magical/miracle based.

I haven't met anyone who has seen a miracle. I've heard tall stories but they are stories people have heard. Also, a miracle is in the perception of the believer, if I'm looking for one I will find one!

To me life and everything that surrounds it is a miracle.

Well said Ji,

When we plant a seed in the garden then see a plant grow and then some fruit. What an amazing miracle....

Our mind minimises it to "its mother nature"....

What is mother nature, the miraculous force behind everything....GOD

Miracles everywhere....miracles when we took our first breath, see a baby formed, created and grow into an adult

Yet we wait to see someone walk on water to stamp a miracle.

God bless you.

ac_marshall · #17 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 18:32 PM

Sat Sri Akal,
May I add a few words from science point of view? I feel it is possible for human organs to be in action for a few moments after decapitation after considering the mechanism of neurons i.e. nerve cells that transmit the commands from the brain to the other parts of the human body. Neurons can be active as long as their oxygen supply through blood remains in tact and take a finite amount of time to die out. I'm not sure about the time it would take for a neuron to die out.

Being a non-Sikh, I'm not well versed with the martyrdom of Baba Deep Singhji. With all respects to this Sikh martyr, I would like to put forward a few words from the science point of view. If his determined brain had commanded his arms and feet already in action for executing a series of tasks just before decapitation, his nerves would have still been active despite the head being severed due to the oxygenated blood that could have still remained in the body. The active neurons could have propagated the commands on the series of tasks to his limbs which would have accomplished the task just before being devoid of oxygenated blood resulting in death.

This is just my analysis on the basis of what is seen in electrical systems as an engineer.

For example, here is a simple analogy. Turn on any electrical appliance which involves a coil, let it run for a while and turn it off. One can easily observe that the electrical appliance does not stop running immediately after stopping the electrical power supply due to the residual electro motive force in the coils that takes some finite time to decay (disregarding the momentum gained due to mechanical motion).
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There have been some discussions on similar topics. Here is a webpage with some similar discussions.
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...3001138AAO1yN0

chazSingh · #18 (**permalink**) 25-May-2012, 16:31 PM

Events are miracles to the constrained and limited MIND, to the SOUL miracles do not exist.

When i used to read verses like:

njir BeI Gru Gr qy jwinAw ]2]
najar bhee ghar ghar thae jaaniaa ||2||
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As the inner vision is awakened, one comes to know one's own home, deep within the self. ||2||

I used to think this inner vision was just a saying, a MIRACLE, that it wasnt true for people like me who was sinning with every breath. But i kept doing ardaas and kept believing, but now i know that we are all capable of receiving his grace, that this is our birthright if only we really believe it.
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Nanak, after being asleep for countless incarnations, I have awakened.

I slept through the entire dark night of my life, but through the tiniest bit of the Guru's Grace, I have been awakened.