How important is Matha Tekking?

jasbirkaleka · #37 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 06:20 AM

Majority of the Sikhs have obliterated the thin line between showing respect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and idol-worship.
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Luckysingh · #38 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jasbirkaleka

Majority of the Sikhs have obliterated the thin line between showing respect to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and idol-worship.

Do you mean that majority think of it is a ritual like idol worship. So, if you don't do you won't get heard ?
Do some really think like that ?

jasbirkaleka · #39 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

Do you mean that majority think of it is a ritual like idol worship. So, if you don't do you won't get heard ?
Do some really think like that ?

I firmly believe that majority Sikhs have become idol worshipers. Taking ritual baths in sarovers, drinking its water to cure diseases, washing gurdwaras with milk and Godavari waters, as for example at Sri Hazur Sahib, the elaborate ceremony of Parkaash and Sakhashan at Harmander Sahib and there are many other rituals that smack of idol worship.
This all goes against the very basics of teachings of our great Guru, Guru Nanak Dev ji.

Luckysingh · #40 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 07:35 AM

Thank you for the reply.
We don't get too much exposure over here to some things you mention.
I know, those things sound a little crazy and far fetched.
If only they just trace and look back at the very beginning of sikhism, at the simple teachings of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, they should see all the crazyness that they are committing to!!!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38540-how-important-is-matha-tekking.html

It's funny because I was physically unable to bend down for some time due to a very broken back. I asked a respected elder to take me to the gurdwara, he said that I can't go because I'm unable to matha tek!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38540
When I asked if he was serious, he said that he would have to ask someone at the gurdwara and find out!!!
Anyway, I went and didn't wait for his reply at all, ...that's crazy, I thought and clearly knew that although he was much elder, he was wrong and misinformed.

harry haller · #41 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 14:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

Do you mean that majority think of it is a ritual like idol worship. So, if you don't do you won't get heard ?
Do some really think like that ?

Luckyji,

It is the nature of people to want, that is why our Islamic friends do so well, they give people what they want, as do the Babas and Deras, people do not mind doing good, provided there is a payback, if the only payback is that the reward is to have more chances to do that good, as per Sikhi, it soon becomes boring to many, no one wants to cultivate their mind, no one wants to explore the philosophy, we live in a quick fix world, you want it, you can have it, you can pay people to do the work for you, you can pray to god for a better life, rather than use Bani to give your brain a workout so you can figure it out for yourself, its not about what you know anymore, its about how religious you are, how in favour with God you are, understanding, study and implementation remain a quaint path, the requests in the Ardass just get more and more

chazSingh · #42 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 17:56 PM

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Originally Posted by simranbir

waheguru g ka khalsa
waheguru g ki fateh

me also with u 70% for lip servce as its not that important but not its not a mere formality....... its the emotions of sangat to kiss the dust of guru's feet.

but yes matha tekana is really really very important for every sikh or non sikh while going guruduwara sahid otherwise it would make us and babaji at the same level which we are definitly not.

Lovely post

There is also something mentioned in Gurbani called Dandauth Bandhna. To lie chest against the floor, arms spread out and holding the feet of your guru. I have only seen one person in a gurdwara do this and it struck me deep in my heart.

Matha tek, dandauth bandna, cleaning the shoes of the sangat are all there to show love for god and his creation (which is god also), and to BURN our EGO.

If we can do these things without caring for what others think, we are killing our ego and letting gods love blossom forth.

I can do matha tek quite easily, everyone does it...no embarassment there. Can i do dandauth bandna? can i go into the gurdwara on a busy sunday and start cleaning people shoes? the mind instantly starts to think of excuses, the ego starts holding you back....I need to confront this Ego, understand that it gets in the way of godly love, and do ardaas asking for god to help me overcome it

God bless you

chazSingh · #43 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 18:06 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Luckyji,

It is the nature of people to want, that is why our Islamic friends do so well, they give people what they want, as do the Babas and Deras, people do not mind doing good, provided there is a payback, if the only payback is that the reward is to have more chances to do that good, as per Sikhi, it soon becomes boring to many, no one wants to cultivate their mind, no one wants to explore the philosophy, we live in a quick fix world, you want it, you can have it, you can pay people to do the work for you, you can pray to god for a better life, rather than use Bani to give your brain a workout so you can figure it out for yourself, its not about what you know anymore, its about how religious you are, how in favour with God you are, understanding, study and implementation remain a quaint path, the requests in the Ardass just get more and more

Satnaam Harry Ji,

I used to pray a lot, asking for things, help with things, help for my family, a loved on that has health issues. I then realised these were all selfish things...why do i pray for my family, when i can't even pray for a stranger on the street. how can i be so selfless.

Now i do only one ardaas before i do my seva or Simran.

I kindly ask Guru Ji, all saints, bhagats, enlightened souls to come sit with me and meditate...I summon them

Then i ask god to show me how i can serve him and remember his name (satnaam)...I summon god (he is the only doer, so i ask him to show me)
And then I ask that no matter what happens in my life, no matter if the world is burning all around me, that i may never ever forget his naam.

Does God hear this prayer? i can say with 100% certainty that he does.
Can i explain to you how i can be so certain? probably not, but can we all have this experience....ofcourse we can

God bless you.

Kamala · #44 (**permalink**) 24-May-2012, 19:49 PM

But bowing down is not a ritual, it's a sign of respect, like when you get ashirvaad.

Kanwaljit Singh · #45 (**permalink**) 25-May-2012, 09:28 AM

Kamala ji I remember in some other thread you had different views