Am I a Sikh, or a Heretic?

harry haller · #28 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 19:22 PM

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A person with Big cars and a big mansion can be full of Ego, desire, greed... on the other hand they could be so humble, desireless, and share their earnings with others...
i suppose its the state of their mind, and how much their spiritual heart shines forth as apposed to what they actually have.

Chazji

just to clarify dear brother, I am talking of those that preach, not in general. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any success provided it is born out of humility and truth. Of course it will take longer, but success and mansions are not an issue for me. Such through arrogance and lies however, certainly are.

I can think of several Sikh personalities who have all been excommunicated due to heresy, Kala Afghana comes to mind, and I can also think of other personalities who have all the trappings, the house, the black Audi, etc

chazSingh · #29 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 20:56 PM

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Chazji

just to clarify dear brother, I am talking of those that preach, not in general. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any success provided it is born out of humility and truth. Of course it will take longer, but success and mansions are not an issue for me. Such through arrogance and lies however, certainly are.

I can think of several Sikh personalities who have all been excommunicated due to heresy, Kala Afghana comes to mind, and I can also think of other personalities who have all the trappings, the house, the black Audi, etc

Very True.

the problem is if there was a saint sitting in front of us wearing some gold, and also some other cheap metals...many on-lookers will think the saint is false because he wears items of value....

but in the eyes of a true saint...there is no difference in diamonds, gold, steel, plastic....all are just dust.

but people will still ask why is he wearing gold....a godly person will say 'why not'? all are natural substances in gods creation...the value has been created by the mind...by manmucks.

i remember hearing some people at my local gurdwara asking why the gurdwara purchased a mercedes people carrier car...they complained the temple guys were thieves...using up money for the wrong things..

But if they purchased the car based on build quality, confort during travel, reliability, how long the car will last, safety features...then why not a mercedes?

But if they purchased it out of Ego, greed, desire...then those minds are completely corrupt

chazSingh · #30 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 21:53 PM

Satnaam Sat Sangat Ji,

Please take the time to read this very short E-Book:
ANHAD SHABAD - The Celestial sound within
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It beautifully describes the essence of Naam, Anhad Shabad that flows through creation, what Shabad Guru is, and how we can connect to the source - our creator Lord.

It has many gurbani quotes backing up the descriptions.

It is said that the length of our life is determined by a set number of breaths, not years and months...but breaths...

Lets all not waste any more breaths and concentrate with full faith on doing our Simran

My Guru is always with me, near at hand. Through simran and simran by
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remembering Him, I keep Him with me ever.
-Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 394

and then maybe the follwing will take place

sc{ sbiw mnu m]ihAa pRiB Aap[ le[ imlaie .
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35
The Shabad of the True one fascinates the mind;
And then God Himself arranges the meeting.
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35

God Bless all

harry haller · #31 (**permalink**) 16-Apr-2012, 18:12 PM

Chazji

In the world of hunting, either for more sex, money, power, influence, the biggest game there is, is God. Why do we hunt God, why do we need to find him, Why is a meeting with God so important? The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us that we find God every day, we meet God every day, we have the chance to talk to God everyday, We have the ability to show our love for God, in a very real and physical way every day, when we have done this enough times, over enough days, then we will realise who God is, and that will facilitate our meeting, in my humble opinion.
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Is is through interacting with Creation we embrace Creator, I am not quite sure who you are interacting with through Simran

Regards,

Harry

chazSingh · #32 (**permalink**) 16-Apr-2012, 22:14 PM

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Chazji

In the world of hunting, either for more sex, money, power, influence, the biggest game there is, is God. Why do we hunt God, why do we need to find him, Why is a meeting with God so important?

The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us that we find God every day, we meet God every day, we have the chance to talk to God everyday, We have the ability to show our love for God, in a very real and physical way every day, when we have done this enough times, over enough days, then we will realise who God is, and that will facilitate our meeting, in my humble opinion.
Satnaam Harry Ji,
What you are saying here is absolute truth, all of this will bring about humblenesss and help subside our ego. These are pre-requisites to the spiritual path. The more humble we become the greater the experience of god we can have. Ego and god are opposites.

Is is through interacting with Creation we embrace Creator, I am not quite sure who you are interacting with through Simran.
This is a topic in itself...but a lot of this has already been discussed in previous threads.

in very simple terms (backed by ther Same Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that you read).

We do not need to find god...he already exists within us...he is our consciousness, the divine light, life power, breath of life, sustainer...the rest is dust..if we overcome the negativity and control of the mind, we will start to experience again our TRUE selves, not the one dictated by the 5 thieves...but our True Divine selves....

This is what everything is all about...to wake us up, to shake us, to make us 'Remeber' what we really are, and what our TRUE attributes are...true love, compassion, truth, trust, complete purity...divine creatures walking the earth. that we are fearless, eternal, without hate etc etc. That we never ever die, that we are boyond time and space...that we are as described in Japji...

sarab kalaa kar thhaapiaa a(n)thar joth apaar ||
He has blessed us with all our energy, and infused His Infinite Light deep within us.

guramathee aap pashhaaniaa raam naam paragaas ||
Follow the Guru's Teachings, and recognize your own self; the Divine Light of the Lord's Name shall shine within.

eaeko pavan maattee sabh eaekaa sabh eaekaa joth sabaaeeaa ||
There is only one breath; all are made of the same clay; the light within all is the same.

Can gurbani be any more clear? why does our minds confuse things.

how can we 'REALLY' recognise god in everyone and evrything in creation, when we cannot even recognise god in ourself first?

When you will experience god in yourself, you will see god literally in all...not just in saying, but literally see, feel, experience, interact without a single thought of fear, hate, desire, anger etc etc.

jis dhaa jeeo paraan hai a(n)thar joth apaaraa ||
The Divine Light of the Infinite Lord, who owns the soul and the breath of life, is deep within the inner being.

sabh mehi joth joth hai soe ||
The Divine Light is within everyone; You are that Light.

guramukh joth nira(n)thar paaee ||
As Gurmukh, I found the Light deep within the nucleus of my self.

If you can experience that light with you, see that light within you, you will see god, experience him and no that YOU are the Light.

Please research what the Pineal Gland is. In children the pineal gland is very active...it has a similar cell structure to your eyes in that it can pick up light (but it is situated just under the brain.

The governments pump Flouride in our water, in our toothpaste...flouride clings onto the pineal gland and is scientifically known to stop the function of the pineal gland...so are substances like Aspartame (sweetener used in almost all DIET products) like diet coke, canderel...which are supposed to be the healthy alternative. Governents do not want a population of enlightened souls....enlightened souls do not require a goverment...only people in fear need a government. From a young age all these chemicals de-activate the pineal gland in our children...the mind takes over, the soul takes a back seat....fear, anxiety, hate, desire, greed, ego become the main players, true love becomes a thing only experienced in glimpses.

When you meditate on the pineal gland (third eye) using the power and force in the vibrations of gurbani...you are stimulating the gland to become active...from my own experiences, i can feel my pineal gland vibrate when i meditate on gurbani, and i can see the parkash of my soul....
its truely beautiful....

We can all do this..its our birthright...its our True self we start to experience...a clear communication between our self (soul) and our Body, means no confusion (mind) and more intuition (soul).

Try it

daily...will full faith, love and commitment.

How much of Waheguru Ji we experience during this process depends on how humble and sincere we are....Seva is the tool to become humble...to build love for everyone around us...

It all works together...

This is just from my own experience...maybe i am wrong...i do not know...but i'm just following my heart...and living the experiences and noting the changes in my behaviour and my relationships with family and friends....everything on the outside starts to evolve and change as the Amirt inside of us starts to clean us up from the inside.

Regards,

Harry

God bless all

Ambarsaria · #33 (**permalink**) 16-Apr-2012, 22:44 PM

chazSingh ji thanks for your post. All well stated but I have a comment on one part,

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When you meditate on the pineal gland (third eye) using the power and force in the vibrations of gurbani...you are stimulating the gland to become active...from my own experiences, i can feel my pineal gland vibrate when i meditate on gurbani, and i can see the parkash of my soul....
its truly beautiful....

Veer you have to answer one question versus the fetish you have about the pineal gland, etc. The question stems from, you have the ability and you state so to see the God/creator in all of creation. Why do you put any significance to this "pineal gland" thing to experience God/creator within you? Why you want to treat yourself differently than others who show creator/God in "Sehaj Subhai"/(all so calmly and naturally).

Kirtan and Simran based on the physical attributes of carrying these out can have lot of physiological attributes and manifestations. Many such being very enjoyable and experiential.

But we need to recognize the difference between using a given tool like Simran/Kirtan versus the end object which is recognition of God/Creator everywhere and manifesting in all in different ways. We try to make it more complicated and scientific than it really is.

Sat Sri Akal. mundahug

chazSingh · #34 (**permalink**) 16-Apr-2012, 23:06 PM

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chazSingh ji thanks for your post. All well stated but I have a comment on one part,Veer you have to answer one question versus the fetish you have about the pineal gland, etc. The question stems from, you have the ability and you state so to see the God/creator in all of creation. Why do you put any significance to this "pineal gland" thing to experience God/creator within you? Why you want to treat yourself differently than others who show creator/God in "Sehaj Subhai"/(all so calmly and naturally).

Kirtan and Simran based on the physical attributes of carrying these out can have lot of physiological attributes and manifestations. Many such being very enjoyable and experiential.

But we need to recognize the difference between using a given tool like Simran/Kirtan versus the end object which is recognition of God/Creator everywhere and manifesting in all in different ways. We try to make it more complicated and scientific than it really is.

Sat Sri Akal. mundahug

I appologise if when i mention the pineal gland that it comes across as a fetish. I only really came across this a couple of months ago based on experiences that i was having and wanting to know what i was experiencing.

Everytime i experienced something new, something i couldnt understand i would do ardaas everyday asking waheguru ji to explain what was hapening so that i would not dwell and waste time on those experiences but so that i could close that door, and move forward...

the things about the pineal gland, the poisons put into our water and food, the chakras (or seven seas as described in gurbani) is really just information that i have come across in the past few months

there isnt any fetish...

I agree we don't need to make things difficult scientifically or wanting to know as much information as possible...

This new age is not about information...its about experiencing.
I delved into Simran with almost zero information about spirituality, or what i may experience...all i knew were 2 words which i grew a connection to during childhood and these are 'Satnaam' and 'Waheguru', so i sit and meditate on them everyday. It works for me...and i hope it works for others also.

I have no qualifications on sikhi, i am a sinner, a low life who is just putting the pieces together one by one as i experience things during my Simran and my Seva.

Guru Ji has put me on a path to experience the divine light within, and i hope that i become a better person who can be of more use to the community around me.

God bless all.