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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria  Vouthon ji thanks for the quotes kaurhug from,
Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest
What a brilliant mind?
Is there a book or other reference to read more of the Priest's work specially online or the Internet?
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My dear brother Ambarsaria kaurhug
I agree Eckhart had a brilliant mind!
There are variety of sources you could check up on to learn more about the Master Eckhart and his teachings.
The best translations of some of his works I know of is:
Meister Eckhart: The Essential Sermons, Commentaries, Treatises and Defense (Classics of Western Spirituality)by Edmund Colledge and Bernard McGinn published by Paulist press, you can buy it here off Amazon: | Amazon.com: Meister Eckhart: The Essential Sermons, Commentaries, Treatises and Defense (Classics of Western Spirituality) (9780809123704): Meister Eckhart, Edmund Colledge, Bernard McGinn, Houston Smith: Books | 
Amazon.com: Meister Eckhart: The Essential Sermons, Commentaries, Treatises and Defense (Classics of Western Spirituality) (9780809123704): Meister Eckhart, Edmund Colledge, Bernard McGinn, Houston Smith: Books |
A good online source is "The Eckhart Society": http://www.eckhartsociety.org/
Its an academic organisation dedicated to the study of Eckhart's mysticism and thought. The authors write, "...The Eckhart Society is dedicated to the study and promotion of the principles and teachings of Meister Eckhart, a medieval theologian, philosopher and mystic. The Society is committed to the highest possible standards in scholarship and spirituality – which was also the goal of the Meister. It welcomes all, no matter of what faith or none, to whom Meister Eckhart is of interest. It publishes a Review and a series of newsletters. There is a three day annual Conference with speakers drawn from amongst the foremost scholars in Eckhart studies as well as those from related disciplines and other religions..."
You can find some quotes from Eckhart's writings on wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Meister_Eckhart
If you type his name into google you will find a plethora of articles about Him from people as diverse as Buddhists, Hindus, Christians etc.
I believe that he is particularly popular, outside the Catholic Church, with Buddhists. The founders of the Eckhart Society were Protestant Christians who were going to convert to Mahayana Buddhism when their spiritual teacher told them to go and read Eckhart instead of seeking another religion, and they subsequently converted to Catholicism - because they found within Christianity in the person of Eckhart what they'd been seeking outside it.
Have you heard of Eknath Easwaran? He was a famous Hindu spiritual teacher of the 20th century. In his books he quotes copiously from Eckhart, who was his favourite Western mystic.
You can some of his books online, for example "Original Goodness": http://www.cehs.wright.edu/resources...l_goodness.pdf
Aldous Huxley, in his great book The Perrenial Philosophy, published in 1945, quotes many times from Eckhart (I recommend buying this one):
Evelyn Underhill, an Anglo-Catholic mystic who died in 1941, published an absolutely fantastic book on mysticism in 1910 called: "Mysticism - A Study in the Nature and Development of Spiritual Conciousness" in which she devotes many of her pages to Eckhart and quotes from his writings, you can it for free online here:
http://www.christianmystics.com/Eboo.../mysticism.pdf
Failing all this just type his name into google and you'll get plenty of material on Him! 
Speaking of the great Catholic mystic Eckhart, Eknath Easwaran wrote:
"...These words of Meister Eckhart, addressed to ordinary people in a quiet German-speaking town almost seven hundred years ago, testify to a discovery about the nature of the human spirit as revolutionary as Einstein’s theories about the nature of the universe. If truly understood, that discovery would transform the world we live in at least as radically as Einstein’s theories changed the world of science. “We have grasped the mystery of the atom,” General Omar Bradley once said, “and rejected the Sermon on the Mount…Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.” If we could grasp the mystery of Eckhart’s “uncreated light in the soul” – surely no more abstruse than relativity! – the transformation in our thinking would set our world right side up....“Its fruits will be God-nature!” What promise could be more revolutionary? Yet Eckhart, like other great mystics of the Catholic Church before and after him, does no more than assure us of his personal experience. The seed is there, and the ground is fertile. Nothing is required but diligent gardening to bring into existence the God-tree: a life that proclaims the original goodness in all creation..."
- Eknath Easwaran (1910 – 1999), Indian Hindu mystic
So yes I agree - Eckhart is fascinating! kaurhug
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Here are some small quotes from Eckhart and a link to the books they are from - check them out! God Is Everywhere
"One who truly has God will have Him in all places, in the streets and in the world, no less than in the church."
( Meister Eckhart, from Whom God Hid Nothing) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38249-sikh-do-you-ever-ask-when.html A Book about God
"Every creature is full of God and a book about God."
( The Reinvention of Work by Matthew Fox) Spiritual Transformation
"A person works in a stable.
That person has a breakthrough.
What does he do?
He returns to work in the stable."
( Meditations with Meister Eckhart by Matthew Fox) What God Expects of You
"God expects but one thing of you, and that is that you should come out of yourself in so far as you are a created being and let God be in you."
( The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley) Why We Miss God
"God is at home in us, but we are abroad."
( Call to Purpose by Richard Solly) The Inward Work
"The outward work can never be small if the inward one is great, and the outward work can never be great or good if the inward is small or of little worth."
( The Reinvention of Work by Matthew Fox) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249 The Underground River
"God is a great underground river that no one can dam up and no one can stop."
(Wrestling with the Prophets by Matthew Fox) God Is Still at Work Creating
"God is creating the entire universe, fully and totally, in the present now."
( Wrestling with the Prophets by Matthew Fox) Do Justice
"If you want to discover who you are, do justice engaging fully in order to change things."
( Earth Story Sacred Story by James Conlon) Let Go of God
"In order to find God, we must let God go.
There above the mind, God shines."
( Why Not be a Mystic? by Frank Tuoti) No Bad Luck
"However, I have never had bad luck. This is because I live with God and always feel that what He does is for the best. Whatever God sends me, be it pleasant or unpleasant, I accept with a grateful heart. That is why I have never had bad luck."
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Interestingly enough the Institute of Sikh Studies, Chandigarh speaks of Eckhart, saying of him:
"....One of the most lucid prophetic precursors of the spiritual foundations of democratic religion was Meister Eckhart (1260-1328), the great Dominican mystic of the Rhineland in Germany. During the twilight of the Middle Ages [...] Eckhart emerged in the Rhineland, speaking in the great cathedrals of Cologne and Strasbourg, not in the Latin of the scholastics or the French of the aristocracy, but in the simple vernacular German of the common people of his time. Using plain words and ordinary idiom, Eckhart preached a lofty democratic vision of God as ‘Pure Being’ and ‘Pure Unity’ in the universal common ground of every human soul. We are all one and equally grounded in God, Eckhart argued. The problem is that we don’t realise it, because our perception of the truth is obstructed by our own egocentric attachments and illusions. According to Eckhart, the task of spiritual awakening for every person is the same — only let go of your egocentric attachments, and your true nature of oneness with all people in God will thereby be illuminated..." | | The following members appreciate Archived_member15 Ji for the above message. | |
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"...If indeed a man thinks he will get more of God by meditation, by devotion, by ectasies or by special infusion of grace than by the fireside or in the stable - that is nothing but taking God, wrapping a cloak around his head and shoving him under a bench...If you are wrapped up in an ecstatic experience and hear that a hungry person is at the door, leave behind your rapture and go and prepare some soup for him...If a person were in such a rapturous state as St. Paul once entered, and he knew of a sick man who wanted a cup of soup, it would be far better to withdraw from the rapture for love’s sake and serve him who is in need...Do not cling to the symbols, but get to the inner truth..." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249 - Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest
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As a part of my Indian upbringing I was always spiritually fed about the Karma theory, after lives and previous lives. But now when I have taken up Science as my profession and reflected about the normal happenings around, the whole concept seems so naive to me .. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249
I would just like to quote from Einstein..
" I believe in God, If by the word 'God' you mean the embodiment of physical laws of nature .. " 
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aristotle ji thanks for your post. One comment, Quote:
Originally Posted by aristotle As a part of my Indian upbringing I was always spiritually fed about the Karma theory, after lives and previous lives. But now when I have taken up Science as my profession and reflected about the normal happenings around, the whole concept seems so naive to me ..
I would just like to quote from Einstein..
" I believe in God, If by the word 'God' you mean the embodiment of physical laws of nature .. " | How about the following, Quote: |
Understanding the eternal truth and living in understanding of such
| Is it in line with what Einestein says other than the focus on Physical? As I understand it, such is one of the fundamental teachings in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Sat Sri Akal.
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That depends on how you interpret it.
* Some people think reading religious texts is the only way to gain the 'eternal' knowledge, they dub all other ways to have knowledge as 'physical'(=non-eternal). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249
* While for some, dissecting the mysteries of nature is the 'eternal' knowledge. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249
* Some combine both..
==But the big thing as a Sikh(=sisya=student), is to keep learning== | | The following members appreciate aristotle Ji for the above message. | |
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Aristotle ji one comment. Quote:
Originally Posted by aristotle That depends on how you interpret it.
* Some people think reading religious texts is the only way to gain the 'eternal' knowledge, they dub all other ways to have knowledge as 'physical'(=non-eternal).
* While for some, dissecting the mysteries of nature is the 'eternal' knowledge.
* Some combine both..
==But the big thing as a Sikh(=sisya=student), is to keep learning== | Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has this as a common theme as to the in-finiteness of the creator and so to the in-finiteness of learning and hence learning all the time! The issue many of our Sikh brothers and sisters have is that they want to get there in a hurry without regard to how many been before us that we are part of and how many past us that we would be part of. There is no end to this either, evolved learning or reality of how it has been unfolding for ever and will continue to do so needs to be recognized for living in consonance with the present and every moment.
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The Creator is described in the Gurbani as 'Apaar' (or the one who cannot be fully known or described) and so is his(?) creation.
This fact does not deter the Gurus and Saints whose hymns are included in the Guru Granth Sahib, to sing the praises of the creator. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38249
Infinity is not 'void', it is instead 'all pervading'. This is a novel concept of the Gurbani. Gurbani does not vainly boast of 'describing' the Lord as do the other religious texts, it instead encourages to dwelve into the infinity and become one with the creator.
It is more of a realisation than a description, I think. Gurbani is thus the perfect spiritual meal for my scientific mind. | | The following members appreciate aristotle Ji for the above message. | | 
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