Who does Sri Guru Granth Sahib address most?

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What I am trying to say is that Ram, Krishna, Hari have been worshipped by Bhagats and Gurus from all periods of time from 1200s-1600s and these are referring to their Jyot and their form, simultaneously. This is key. They are referring to e.g. the Son of Dasrath and God in the same breath. Their belief is that Ram Chandra is God. That Krishna is God.

The authors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji worship: Baikunth ke Vasi (Dweller of Vaikunth - Vishnu), Kamlapati (Husband of Kamla/Lakshmi - Vishnu), Chaturbhuj (Four-armed - Vishnu is always depicted with four arms, even though he is said to have thousands), Murli Manohar (Flute player - Krishna), Raja Ram (King Ram), Raghuvansh (Descendent of Raghu - King Ram), Raghunath (Leader of Raghus' descendents - King Ram), NarSingh/Narhar (Vishnu's Man-lion incarnation), Krishna Murare (Krishna the Slayer of demon Mura), Gopi Nath (Master of the Gopis, village girls - Krishna) ... I could go on... these are referring to Vishnu and his incarnations, God and his incarnations, specifically. These names cannot be referring to anything else. The authors of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji worship the One as these incarnations, ie, through their Naam ( quote by Bhagat Singh.


Respected Bhagat Singh ji
You have distorted the Gurbani to support your own thinking just because you couldn’t understand why those names are referred to. Just for your information, this is what Guru Nanak thinks about Ram Chandra ji and Krishan ji:
953-954 Sri Guru Granth Sahib
ਰੋਵੈਰਾਮੁਨਿਕਾਲਾਭਇਆ॥
Rovai rām nikālā bẖa▫i▫ā.
Rama wept when he was exiled,
ਨਿਕਾਲਾ = ਦੇਸ-ਨਿਕਾਲਾ।
ਰਾਮਜੀਭੀਰੋਏ, ਜਦੋਂਰਾਮ (ਜੀ) ਨੂੰਦੇਸ-ਨਿਕਾਲਾਮਿਲਿਆ ……

A person who feels bad on such occasion, how he should be worshiped as God; don’t you know that Gurbani says one who becomes one with Akalpurakh takes good or bad alike?
ਰੋਵਹਿਪਾਂਡਵਭਏਮਜੂਰ॥
Rovėh pāʼndav bẖa▫e majūr.
Became servants and wailed the Pandwas,
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(ਪੰਜੇ) ਪਾਂਡੋਜਦੋਂ (ਵੈਰਾਟਰਾਜੇਦੇ) ਮਜ਼ੂਰਬਣੇਤਾਂਰੋਏ,

ਜਿਨਕੈਸੁਆਮੀਰਹਤਹਦੂਰਿ॥
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Jin kai su▫āmī rahaṯ haḏūr.
whose Master lived with them.
ਸੁਆਮੀ = ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਜੀ।
(ਭਾਵੇਂਕਿ) ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ (ਪਾਂਡਵਾਂ) ਦੇਪਾਸਹੀਸ੍ਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਜੀਰਹਿੰਦੇਸਨ (ਭਾਵ, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂਦਾਪੱਖਕਰਦੇਸਨ
Krishan ji couldn’t help Pandav though people called him Swami (Master/God), isn't it sarcastic ?

WHO DOESN’T CRY FOR SUCH THINGS?
ਮੰਨੇਨਾਉਸੋਈਜਿਣਿਜਾਇ॥
Manne nā▫o so▫ī jiṇ jā▫e.
He, who believes in the Name, becomes victorious.
ਜਿਣਿ = ਜਿੱਤਕੇ।
ਜੋਮਨੁੱਖਪ੍ਰਭੂਦੇਨਾਮਨੂੰਮੰਨਦਾਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਜਿਸਦਾਮਨਪ੍ਰਭੂਦੇਨਾਮਵਿਚਪਤੀਜਦਾਹੈ) ਉਹ (ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀਦੀਬਾਜ਼ੀ) ਜਿੱਤਕੇਜਾਂਦਾਹੈ,

ਅਉਰੀਕਰਮਨਲੇਖੈਲਾਇ॥੧॥
A▫urī karam na lekẖai lā▫e. ||1||
No other deed is of any account.
ਅਉਰੀ = ਹੋਰ॥੧॥
('ਨਾਮ' ਤੋਂਬਿਨਾ) ਕੋਈਹੋਰਕੰਮ (ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀਦੀਬਾਜ਼ੀਜਿੱਤਣਲਈ) ਸਫਲਨਹੀਂਹੁੰਦਾ॥੧
Guru Nanak is all for All Pervading Akalpurakh.


ON Krishan, 470 Sri Guru Granth Sahib:
ਜੁਜਮਹਿਜੋਰਿਛਲੀਚੰਦ੍ਰਾਵਲਿਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੁਜਾਦਮੁਭਇਆ॥
Juj mėh jor cẖẖalī cẖanḏrāval kānĥkrisan jāḏam bẖa▫i▫ā.
In the time of Yujar Veda, Kan Krishan of Yadva tribe seduced Chandrawli by force.
ਜੋਰਿ = ਜ਼ੋਰਨਾਲ, ਧੱਕੇਨਾਲ।ਜਾਦਮੁ = 'ਜਦੁ' ਕੁਲਵਿਚਪੈਦਾਹੋਇਆਸ੍ਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ।
ਯਜੁਰਵੇਦ (ਵਿਚਭਾਵ, ਦੁਆਪਰਵਿਚ) ਜਗਤਦੇਮਾਲਕਦਾਨਾਮਸਾਂਵਲ 'ਜਾਦਮੁ' ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਪਰਸਿੱਧਹੋਗਿਆ, ਜਿਸਨੇਜ਼ੋਰਨਾਲਚੰਦ੍ਰਾਵਲੀਨੂੰਛਲਲਿਆਂਦਾ,

ਪਾਰਜਾਤੁਗੋਪੀਲੈਆਇਆਬਿੰਦ੍ਰਾਬਨਮਹਿਰੰਗੁਕੀਆ॥
Pārjāṯ gopī lai ā▫i▫ā binḏrāban mėh rang kī▫ā.
He brought the elysian tree for his milk-maid and revelled in Bindraban.
ਪਾਰਜਾਤੁ = ਇੰਦਰਦੇਬਾਗ਼ 'ਨੰਦਨ' ਵਿਚਪੰਜਸ੍ਰੇਸ਼ਟਰੁੱਖਾਂਵਿਚੋਂਇਕਦਾਨਾਉਂ 'ਪਾਰਜਾਤ' ਹੈ।ਜਦੋਂਦੇਵਤਿਆਂਨੇਰਲਕੇਸਮੁੰਦਰਨੂੰਰਿੜਕਿਆਸੀ, ਤਦੋਂਉਸਵਿਚੋਂਚੌਦਾਂਰਤਨਨਿਕਲੇ, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂਵਿਚੋਂਇਕ 'ਪਾਰਜਾਤ' ਰੁੱਖਸੀ।ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਜੀਨੇਇਹਰੁੱਖਉਸਬਾਗ਼ਵਿਚੋਂਪੁੱਟਕੇਲੈਆਂਦਾਤੇਆਪਣੀਪਿਆਰੀ 'ਸਤ੍ਯਭਾਮਾ' ਦੇਬਾਗ਼ਵਿਚਲਾਦਿੱਤਾ।ਇਹ 'ਸਤ੍ਯਭਾਮਾ' ਰਾਜਾਸ਼ਤ੍ਰਾਜਿਤਦੀਧੀਤੇਸ੍ਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਜੀਦੀਪਿਆਰੀਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਸੀ।ਇੰਦਰਦੇਬਾਗ਼ 'ਨੰਦਨ' ਵਿਚਪੰਜਵਧੀਆਜਾਤੀਦੇਰੁੱਖਦੱਸੇਗਏਹਨ।ਉਹਪੰਜੇਰੁੱਖਇਹਹਨ: ਮੰਦਾਰ, ਪਾਰਜਾਤ, ਸੰਤਾਨ, ਕਲਪ-ਰੁੱਖਤੇਹਰੀਚੰਦਨ।ਚੰਦ੍ਰਾਵਲਿ = ਇਕਗੋਪੀਦਾਨਾਮਸੀ।ਇਹਰਾਧਾਦੀਚਚੇਰੀਭੈਣਸੀ, ਰਾਧਾਦੇਪਿਤਾਵ੍ਰਿਖਭਾਨਦੇਜੇਠੇਭਰਾਚੰਦ੍ਰਭਾਨਦੀਇਹਲੜਕੀਸੀ।ਚੰਦ੍ਰਾਵਲੀਗੋਵਰਧਨਨਾਲਵਿਆਹੀਗਈਸੀ, ਜੋਕਰਲਾਨਾਮਕਪਿੰਡਦਾਰਹਿਣਵਾਲਾਸੀ।ਗੋਪੀ = 'ਸਤ੍ਯਭਾਮਾ' ਗੋਪੀਦੇਵਾਸਤੇ।
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ਜਿਸਨੇਆਪਣੀਗੋਪੀ (ਸਤ੍ਯਭਾਮਾ) ਦੀਖ਼ਾਤਰਪਾਰਜਾਤਰੁੱਖ (ਇੰਦਰਦੇਬਾਗ਼ਵਿਚੋਂ) ਲੈਆਂਦਾਅਤੇਜਿਸਨੇਬਿੰਦ੍ਰਾਬਨਵਿਚਕੌਤਕਵਰਤਾਇਆ


Gur Nanak dev ji is describing treachery of Krishan ji, why? To tell that, such a way, the Creator is not realized; then how the Creator is realized, in the end Guru Nanak says:
ਭਾਉਭਗਤਿਕਰਿਨੀਚੁਸਦਾਏ॥
Bẖā▫o bẖagaṯ kar nīcẖ saḏā▫e.
When a person cherishs love and meditation of God and calls himself lowly,
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(ਪਰ) ਹੇਨਾਨਕ! ਜਦੋਂਮਨੁੱਖਪ੍ਰੇਮ-ਭਗਤੀਕਰਕੇਆਪਣੇਆਪਨੂੰਨੀਵਾਂਅਖਵਾਂਦਾਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਅਹੰਕਾਰਤੋਂਬਚਿਆਰਹਿੰਦਾਹੈ)

ਤਉਨਾਨਕਮੋਖੰਤਰੁਪਾਏ॥੨॥
Ŧa▫o Nānak mokẖanṯar pā▫e. ||2||
it is then, O Nanak that he obtains salvation.
xxx॥੨॥
ਤਦੋਂਉਹਮੁਕਤੀਪ੍ਰਾਪਤਕਰਦਾਹੈ॥੨

NOT BY TAKING OTHER”S WOMAN WITH TRICKS.
You need to understand the contexts and the names used for the Creator before judging Bhagtas and the Gurus and saying they worshiped Ram Chandra ji and Krishn ji. All miracles kinds of deeds are credited to only All Pervading Akalpurakh not those who were bearing those names

Regards
Mandemeet

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Mandemeet ji thanks for your post. Welcome to spn as I believe you recently joined.

Great research, effort and to the point. Please keep up the good work and sharing so we all learn.
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Sat Sri Akal.

Bhagat kabir Ji so clearly and transparently declares that all the public cry our..Raam Raam raam....BUT dear friends..there is a very clear and HUGE difference between what the "public" cry out Raam Raam and MY RAAM....One Raam is a Human..a person a... a Dramabaaz...an ACTOR...the OTHER Raam is the All Pervading CREATOR.

DAY..and NIGHT....PITCH Black...Snow WHITE...yet we insist on saying..NO NO..Bhagat Kabir Ji..beleieves in the SAME Raam that was Son of dasrath..husband of Sita..destroyer of Raavna and Lanka..Army commander of hanumans army of Monkeys etc etc etc..and whose Temples.and Mandirs dot the Indian landscape..in whose name the Historic babari masjid was destroyed...that is the Raam bhagats mention....

Is it only self deception..or deception on purpose...covering ones-self in a thick blanket may begin to look like "Night" under the Blazing Mid day SUN...but no matter how many Thick Blankets we THROW UP into the SKY to make sure .."everyone" also begins to "feel night" at 12 NOON..is a difficult task but we continue to persevere...bravo.

The BHAGATS whose Gurbani stands chosen for inclsuion in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji....the Gurus..the Dooms, the SHEIKHS, each and every single contributor of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji hold Fast to the Very SAME PRINCIPLE...The CREATOR that is MENTIONED in the MOOL MANTAR is the ONE and ONLY Creator and NO ONE ELSE..not Raam..not Krishan..not vishnu..not kali ammah..not vaishnu devi..not sheran valli..not...not...not...not...not...not...NOT. period. THIS ONE and ONLY CREATOR...EK - OANGKAAR NEVER comes to EARTH in any form/avtaar/whatever and Never has. Period. But if one wants to bury ones self under a thick carpet and cry its night at 12 noon..you are most welcome...carry on...BUT DONT place those carpets on the Bhagats or the Gurus becasue they TORE those "carpets" to SHREDS ....Centuries ago.. even the the "dust" has long gone.......let alone the shreds...
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Thank you Madenmeet Ji.

To ALL Jios
OK, There is no monoply on the path and I'm not sure that some fully understand the reasons why Guru Nanak started to mention the vedic gods. We can't just disregard it as vedic interference (as Harryji states) because we want no association with it.
We have to understand that the vedic quotes by the gurus are there for a reason.-At the times, people lived by these beliefs so much- so they had to be addressed. -They were addressed but they were not disregarded as myths.

Bottom line- I'll get straight to the point of why-

All hindu gods each have their own role and association in the religion. For instance, Vishnu is god of protection and preservation, Rama is the incarnation of Vishnu. Brahma =the creator, Shiva=destroyer, Laxmi=goddess of wealth and prosperity, Vishnu and Laxmi are a couple that always reincarnate together- so Rama and Sita were infact reincarnations of Vishnu and Laxmi.... and so on......-many incarnations for all of them....

Now as far as I know, these beliefs in the deities have been there for a long time and will always be there for the hindu faith.

All references in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib inform us that ALL these gods are ONE. Thats it, we don't need a separate lord for wealth, a separate for creation, one for protection, one for strength.. etc...etc.....etc...
BUT, all of these godly values come from the ONE formless, eternal creator.
I also deduce that there is NO Vishnu reincarnatining umpteen times as a different God everytime. BUT- It is Just the ONE creator that can take as many and whatever forms that we see. There is no Vishnu and Laxmi coming in the form of Ram and Sita
BUT- just the ONE all along.

Quite simply, there is ONE creator, lord, Waheguru, God, Ram, Allah..Up there and all around...AND there is Human MANKIND-down here -FULL STOP-
NO inbetween gods, sons or daughters of god, or gods and goddesses chosen by God for specific purposes, nothing else except ALL of us here as equals and the creator above us all. There was of course our Guru's that can be regarded as above us on the scale- BUT even they made it clear that we were NOT to worship them but to only worship the ONE true Lord.

Using ram ram, hari hari, satnaam or waheguru makes NO difference, if we are referring to the ONE. He doesn't mind who or what we call him.

Waheguru

Luckyji,

You are trying to compromise, and I respect that, but Creator has no physical form, does not take a physical form.

My own view is that an acceptance that Jesus, Vishnu et al were Guru's in their own way, but were not Creator in a physical manifestation, as such could not exist, given what we know about Creator and Sikhism

If we give a thinking to a quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as

"RAM NAAM(U) Uru Main Gayeo JAKE SUM NAHEE KOE
JIH SIMRAT SANKAT MITE DARS TUHAO HOE"

Pp1429 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jiji

What is this RAM NAAMu GuRu ji is telling about?There is Nothing equal to this RAM NAAMu and this RAM NAAMu iserves two purposes simultaneously as All ill barriers of life are removed and you get the DARSAN of Creator too.
This RAM NAAMu is ONLY ONE and different from all other NAAM.
This is important to understand.
Prakash.S.Bagga

Time for some heavy-lifting and cognitive dissonance. Ready?

Some basic theology of Sikhism:
1. There is the Ultimate Reality, it is both Sargun (form) and Nirgun (formless) - by what name is this referred to in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

Brahmn (not Brahma) Parbrahmn, Parmesar, Bhagwan, Ishwar, Akal/Aad Purakh, Hari (Vishnu/Krishna Murare) and Ram Chandra. The latter two being the most prominent of all names of the Ultimate Reality. So the mythology that is revered in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is that of Vishnu, as he is considered the Ultimate Reality. Now since Vishnu is the Ultimate Reality. All of the below are actually referring to the Ultimate Reality, Vishnu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhagat Kamla/Lakshmi - Vishnu), Chaturbhuj (Four-armed - Vishnu is always depicted with four arms, even though he is said to have thousands), Murli Manohar (Flute player - Krishna), Raja Ram (King Ram), Raghuvansh (Descendent of Raghu - King Ram), Raghunath (Leader of Raghus' descendents - King Ram), NarSingh/Narhar (Vishnu's Man-lion incarnation), Krishna Murare (Krishna the Slayer of demon Mura), Gopi Nath (Master of the Gopis, village girls - Krishna)

They are not a coincidence or some deceptive tactic employed to persuade Hindus. This is the real deal! and it is about to become very clear in the quotes below.

2. Maya is the power of this Ultimate Reality, under whose influence the world operates. You cannot escape her. Maya is that force by which the Ultimate Reality manifests itself. Write this down.

From this Ultimate Reality arises the creator - Brahma, sustainer - also called Vishnu and destroyer - Mahadev.
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ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਇਕ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਆਪੇ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਾਰੀ ॥੧੨॥
ब्रहमा बिसनु महेस इक मूरति आपे करता कारी ॥१२॥
Barahmā bisan mahes ik mūraṯ āpe karṯā kārī. ||12||
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are manifestations of the One God. He Himself is the Doer of deeds. ||12||
When the Ultimate Reality manifests, it does so as three Gunas/qualities - Rajas, Sattva and Tamas. Thus these three aspects of the Ultimate Reality are under the influence of these Gunas/qualities.


I agree whole heartedly. Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars were titled "the key to understanding Gurbani and it's context" by Guru Arjan Dev ji. But if that is not satisfactory we can simply stick to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

ਅਚੁਤ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥
अचुत पारब्रहम परमेसुर अंतरजामी ॥
Acẖuṯ pārbarahm parmesur anṯarjāmī.
The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts.

ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥
मधुसूदन दामोदर सुआमी ॥
Maḏẖusūḏan ḏāmoḏar su▫āmī.
Madhusudan - Krishna
He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master.

ਰਿਖੀਕੇਸ ਗੋਵਰਧਨ ਧਾਰੀ ਮੁਰਲੀ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧॥
रिखीकेस गोवरधन धारी मुरली मनोहर हरि रंगा ॥१॥
Rikẖīkes govarḏẖan ḏẖārī murlī manohar har rangā. ||1||
(Krishna lifts Govardhan in his mythology. He is the Murli Manohar, the flute player.)
The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1||

ਮੋਹਨ ਮਾਧਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥
मोहन माधव क्रिस्न मुरारे ॥
Mohan māḏẖav krisan murāre.
Mohan (Krishna), Madhav (Krishna), Krishna Murare
The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth, Krishna, the Enemy of ego.

ਜਗਦੀਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥
जगदीसुर हरि जीउ असुर संघारे ॥
Jagḏīsur har jī▫o asur sangẖāre.
The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons.

ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਵਾਸੀ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨॥
जगजीवन अबिनासी ठाकुर घट घट वासी है संगा ॥२॥
Jagjīvan abẖināsī ṯẖākur gẖat gẖat vāsī hai sangā. ||2||
The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2||

ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥
धरणीधर ईस नरसिंघ नाराइण ॥
Ḏẖarṇīḏẖar īs narsingẖ nārā▫iṇ.
The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God.

ਦਾੜਾ ਅਗ੍ਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮਿ ਧਰਾਇਣ ॥
दाड़ा अग्रे प्रिथमि धराइण ॥
Ḏāṛā agre paritham ḏẖarā▫iṇ.
The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth.

ਬਾਵਨ ਰੂਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਤੁਧੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸੇਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੰਗਾ ॥੩॥
बावन रूपु कीआ तुधु करते सभ ही सेती है चंगा ॥३॥
Bāvan rūp kī▫ā ṯuḏẖ karṯe sabẖ hī seṯī hai cẖanga. ||3||
O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3||

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥
स्री रामचंद जिसु रूपु न रेखिआ ॥
Sarī rāmcẖanḏ jis rūp na rekẖ▫i▫ā.
You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature.

ਬਨਵਾਲੀ ਚਕ੍ਰਪਾਣਿ ਦਰਸਿ ਅਨੂਪਿਆ ॥
बनवाली चक्रपाणि दरसि अनूपिआ ॥
Banvālī cẖakarpāṇ ḏaras anūpi▫ā.
Adorned with flowers, holding the chakra in Your hand, Your form is incomparably beautiful.

ਸਹਸ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਕੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸਭ ਹੈ ਮੰਗਾ ॥੪॥
सहस नेत्र मूरति है सहसा इकु दाता सभ है मंगा ॥४॥
Sahas neṯar mūraṯ hai sahsā ik ḏāṯā sabẖ hai mangā. ||4||
You have thousands of eyes, and thousands of forms. You alone are the Giver, and all are beggars of You. ||4||

ਭਗਤਿ ਵਛਲੁ ਅਨਾਥਹ ਨਾਥੇ ॥
भगति वछलु अनाथह नाथे ॥
Bẖagaṯ vacẖẖal anāthah nāthe.
You are the Lover of Your devotees, the Master of the masterless.

ਗੋਪੀ ਨਾਥੁ ਸਗਲ ਹੈ ਸਾਥੇ ॥
गोपी नाथु सगल है साथे ॥
Gopī nāth sagal hai sāthe.
The Lord and Master of the milk-maids, You are the companion of all.

ਬਾਸੁਦੇਵ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦਾਤੇ ਬਰਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਕਉ ਗੁਣ ਅੰਗਾ ॥੫॥
बासुदेव निरंजन दाते बरनि न साकउ गुण अंगा ॥५॥
Bāsuḏev niranjan ḏāṯe baran na sāka▫o guṇ angā. ||5||
O Lord, Immaculate Great Giver, I cannot describe even an iota of Your Glorious Virtues. ||5||

ਮੁਕੰਦ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਲਖਮੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥
मुकंद मनोहर लखमी नाराइण ॥
Mukanḏ manohar lakẖmī nārā▫iṇ.
Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God.

ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਲਜਾ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ਉਧਾਰਣ ॥
द्रोपती लजा निवारि उधारण ॥
Ḏaropaṯī lajā nivār uḏẖāraṇ.
Savior of Dropadi's honor. (Krishna)

ਕਮਲਾਕੰਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਕੰਤੂਹਲ ਅਨਦ ਬਿਨੋਦੀ ਨਿਹਸੰਗਾ ॥੬॥
कमलाकंत करहि कंतूहल अनद बिनोदी निहसंगा ॥६॥
Kamlākanṯ karahi kanṯūhal anaḏ binoḏī nihsangā. ||6||
Lord of Maya, miracle-worker, absorbed in delightful play, unattached. ||6||

ਅਮੋਘ ਦਰਸਨ ਆਜੂਨੀ ਸੰਭਉ ॥
अमोघ दरसन आजूनी स्मभउ ॥
Amogẖ ḏarsan ājūnī sambẖa▫o.
The Blessed Vision of His Darshan is fruitful and rewarding; He is not born, He is self-existent.
Vishnu is Ajuni, who knew?

ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਕਦੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਖਉ ॥
अकाल मूरति जिसु कदे नाही खउ ॥
Akāl mūraṯ jis kaḏe nāhī kẖa▫o.
His form is undying; it is never destroyed.

ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਤੁਝ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਲਗਾ ॥੭॥
अबिनासी अबिगत अगोचर सभु किछु तुझ ही है लगा ॥७॥
Abẖināsī abigaṯ agocẖar sabẖ kicẖẖ ṯujẖ hī hai lagā. ||7||
O imperishable, eternal, unfathomable Lord, everything is attached to You. ||7||

ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥
स्रीरंग बैकुंठ के वासी ॥
Sarīrang baikunṯẖ ke vāsī.
The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven.

ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥
मछु कछु कूरमु आगिआ अउतरासी ॥
Macẖẖ kacẖẖ kūram āgi▫ā a▫uṯrāsī.
By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.

ਕੇਸਵ ਚਲਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਰਾਲੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜਹਿ ਸੋ ਹੋਇਗਾ ॥੮॥
केसव चलत करहि निराले कीता लोड़हि सो होइगा ॥८॥
Kesav cẖalaṯ karahi nirāle kīṯā loṛėh so ho▫igā. ||8||
The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass. ||8||

ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥
निराहारी निरवैरु समाइआ ॥
Nirāhārī nirvair samā▫i▫ā.
He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.

ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥
धारि खेलु चतुरभुजु कहाइआ ॥
Ḏẖār kẖel cẖaṯurbẖuj kahā▫i▫ā.
He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.

ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥
सावल सुंदर रूप बणावहि बेणु सुनत सभ मोहैगा ॥९॥
Sāval sunḏar rūp baṇāvėh beṇ sunaṯ sabẖ mohaigā. ||9||
He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9||

ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥
बनमाला बिभूखन कमल नैन ॥
Banmālā bibẖūkẖan kamal nain.
He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.

ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥
सुंदर कुंडल मुकट बैन ॥
Sunḏar kundal mukat bain.
His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.

ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥
संख चक्र गदा है धारी महा सारथी सतसंगा ॥१०॥
Sankẖ cẖakar gaḏā hai ḏẖārī mahā sārthī saṯsangā. ||10||
He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||

ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥
पीत पीत्मबर त्रिभवण धणी ॥
Pīṯ pīṯambar ṯaribẖavaṇ ḏẖaṇī.
The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.

ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥
जगंनाथु गोपालु मुखि भणी ॥
Jagannāth gopāl mukẖ bẖaṇī.
The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.

ਸਾਰਿੰਗਧਰ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ਮੈ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਸਰਬੰਗਾ ॥੧੧॥
सारिंगधर भगवान बीठुला मै गणत न आवै सरबंगा ॥११॥
Sāringḏẖar bẖagvān bīṯẖulā mai gaṇaṯ na āvai sarbangā. ||11||
The Archer who draws the bow, the Beloved Lord God; I cannot count all His limbs. ||11||
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ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहि जीउ ॥
vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhi jī▫o.
Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o.

ਕਵਲ ਨੈਨ ਮਧੁਰ ਬੈਨ ਕੋਟਿ ਸੈਨ ਸੰਗ ਸੋਭ ਕਹਤ ਮਾ ਜਸੋਦ ਜਿਸਹਿ ਦਹੀ ਭਾਤੁ ਖਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
कवल नैन मधुर बैन कोटि सैन संग सोभ कहत मा जसोद जिसहि दही भातु खाहि जीउ ॥
Kaval nain maḏẖur bain kot sain sang sobẖ kahaṯ mā jasoḏ jisahi ḏahī bẖāṯ kẖāhi jī▫o.
You are lotus-eyed, with sweet speech, exalted and embellished with millions of companions. Mother Yashoda invited You as Krishna to eat the sweet rice.

ਦੇਖਿ ਰੂਪੁ ਅਤਿ ਅਨੂਪੁ ਮੋਹ ਮਹਾ ਮਗ ਭਈ ਕਿੰਕਨੀ ਸਬਦ ਝਨਤਕਾਰ ਖੇਲੁ ਪਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
देखि रूपु अति अनूपु मोह महा मग भई किंकनी सबद झनतकार खेलु पाहि जीउ ॥
Ḏekẖ rūp aṯ anūp moh mahā mag bẖa▫ī kinknī sabaḏ jẖanaṯkār kẖel pāhi jī▫o.
Gazing upon Your supremely beautiful form, and hearing the musical sounds of Your silver bells tinkling, she was intoxicated with delight.

ਕਾਲ ਕਲਮ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹਾਥਿ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਉਨੁ ਮੇਟਿ ਸਕੈ ਈਸੁ ਬੰਮ੍ਯ੍ਯੁ ਗ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੁ ਧ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੁ ਧਰਤ ਹੀਐ ਚਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
काल कलम हुकमु हाथि कहहु कउनु मेटि सकै ईसु बम्यु ग्यानु ध्यानु धरत हीऐ चाहि जीउ ॥
Kāl kalam hukam hāth kahhu ka▫un met sakai īs bamm▫yu ga▫yān ḏẖeān ḏẖaraṯ hī▫ai cẖāhi jī▫o.
Death's pen and command are in Your hands. Tell me, who can erase it? Shiva and Brahma yearn to enshrine Your spiritual wisdom in their hearts.

ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥੬॥
सति साचु स्री निवासु आदि पुरखु सदा तुही वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहि जीउ ॥१॥६॥
Saṯ sācẖ sarī nivās āḏ purakẖ saḏā ṯuhī vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhi jī▫o. ||1||6||
You are forever True, the Home of Excellence, the Primal Supreme Being. Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o. ||1||6||

ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਪਰਮ ਧਾਮ ਸੁਧ ਬੁਧ ਨਿਰੀਕਾਰ ਬੇਸੁਮਾਰ ਸਰਬਰ ਕਉ ਕਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
राम नाम परम धाम सुध बुध निरीकार बेसुमार सरबर कउ काहि जीउ ॥
Rām nām param ḏẖām suḏẖ buḏẖ nirīkār besumār sarbar ka▫o kāhi jī▫o.
You are blessed with the Lord's Name, the supreme mansion, and clear understanding. You are the Formless, Infinite Lord; who can compare to You?

ਸੁਥਰ ਚਿਤ ਭਗਤ ਹਿਤ ਭੇਖੁ ਧਰਿਓ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਹਰਿਓ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਾਰਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
सुथर चित भगत हित भेखु धरिओ हरनाखसु हरिओ नख बिदारि जीउ ॥
Suthar cẖiṯ bẖagaṯ hiṯ bẖekẖ ḏẖari▫o harnākẖas hari▫o nakẖ biḏār jī▫o.
For the sake of the pure-hearted devotee Prahlaad, You took the form of the man-lion, to tear apart and destroy Harnaakhash with your claws.

ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਪਦਮ ਆਪਿ ਆਪੁ ਕੀਓ ਛਦਮ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖੈ ਕਉਨੁ ਤਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
संख चक्र गदा पदम आपि आपु कीओ छदम अपर्मपर पारब्रहम लखै कउनु ताहि जीउ ॥
Sankẖ cẖakar gaḏā paḏam āp āp kī▫o cẖẖaḏam aprampar pārbarahm lakẖai ka▫un ṯāhi jī▫o.
You are the Infinite Supreme Lord God; with your symbols of power (ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਪਦਮ - conch, chakram, mace and lotus - icons of Vishnu) , You deceived Baliraja (Ram Chandra decieves bali in order to bring Sugreve to power); who can know You?

ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥੭॥
सति साचु स्री निवासु आदि पुरखु सदा तुही वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहिगुरू वाहि जीउ ॥२॥७॥
Saṯ sācẖ sarī nivās āḏ purakẖ saḏā ṯuhī vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhigurū vāhi jī▫o. ||2||7||
You are forever True, the Home of Excellence, the Primal Supreme Being. Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o. ||2||7||
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FALSE
This is simply a misunderstanding of Bhagat Kabir's shabad. Raam was never believed to be human by any of the Bhagats or Gurus. Especially in light of the shabads above. Let me remind in the words of 5th Master: "You are the Ram Chandra with no form or feature. Adorned in flowers and wielding the chakram, your form is incomparably beautiful." Raam Chandra is the Divine. He is Akal Purakh.

Let's look a this shabad and weed out of the ignorance propagated by it's popular mistranslation.

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
कबीर राम कहन महि भेदु है ता महि एकु बिचारु ॥
Kabīr rām kahan (chant/repeat) mėh (inside) bẖeḏ (difference) hai ṯā mėh ek bicẖār.

Kabir says there is a difference in how you chant "Ram", and this is to be considered.


ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥
सोई रामु सभै कहहि सोई कउतकहार ॥१९०॥
So▫ī (that very) rām sabẖai (everyone) kahėh so▫ī (that very) ka▫uṯakhār (miracle workers). ||190||

The same Ram is chanted by everyone (Saints) and the same Ram is chanted by miracle workers, those who (want to) obtain the various supernatural powers, ridhiyan sidhiyan.
||190||


ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥
कबीर रामै राम कहु कहिबे माहि बिबेक ॥
Kabīr rāmai rām kaho (chant/repeat) kahibe (in how you chant) māhi (inside) bibek (bichar).

Kabir says, chant "Ramay Ram" but keep in mind that

ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥
एकु अनेकहि मिलि गइआ एक समाना एक ॥१९१॥
Ėk anekėh mil ga▫i▫ā ek samānā ek. ||191||
One merged (ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ - verb) in the many, and one merged in the one.

Meaning: The one who chanted to obtain supernatural powers, was lost in the many powers, was engrossed in Maya. The one who chanted with true faith and not for some reward was merged in the One and liberated.
||191||


Essence:
The idea of chanting and training the mind to obtain supernatural pwoers was/is very prevalent in India. (Whether or not it is possible) Kabir says, those who chant to obtain some goal of receiving supernatural powers, are lost in the world, in the "many", in the powers and their displays. There is a difference in how you chant and that is in the intention. The intentions are important. Are you chanting to gain something out of it or chanting with pure devotion?


Some wisdom from our Guru ji that drive down the point that Krishna and Ram Chandra (and other incarnations of God) are God.

Watch how the following are referred to as the Ultimate Reality:
ਪੰਨਾ 659, ਸਤਰ 7
ਤੁਮ ਸਰਨਾਗਤਿ ਰਾਜਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦ ਕਹਿ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਚਮਾਰਾ ॥੫॥੬॥
तुम सरनागति राजा राम चंद कहि रविदास चमारा ॥५॥६॥
Ŧum sarnāgaṯ rājā rām cẖanḏ kahi Raviḏās cẖamārā. ||5||6||
I have come to Your Sanctuary, Raja Ram Chandra; so says Ravi Daas, the shoemaker. ||5||6||


ਪੰਨਾ 973, ਸਤਰ 16
ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥
जसरथ राइ नंदु राजा मेरा राम चंदु प्रणवै नामा ततु रसु अम्रितु पीजै ॥४॥४॥
Jasrath rā▫e nanḏ rājā merā rām cẖanḏ paraṇvai nāmā ṯaṯ ras amriṯ pījai. ||4||4||
My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra, the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv, I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||

ਪੰਨਾ 1429, ਸਤਰ 8
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਬਿਪਤਿ ਮੈ ਟੇਕ ਏਕ ਰਘੁਨਾਥ ॥੫੫॥
कहु नानक इह बिपति मै टेक एक रघुनाथ ॥५५॥
Kaho Nānak ih bipaṯ mai tek ek ragẖunāth. ||55||
Says Nanak, in this tragedy, Raghunath alone is my Support. ||55||
ਮਃ 9

ਪੰਨਾ 324, ਸਤਰ 13
ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ਨ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
चतुराई न चतुरभुजु पाईऐ ॥ रहाउ ॥
Cẖaṯurā▫ī na cẖaṯurbẖuj pā▫ī▫ai. Rahā▫o.
Through cleverness, the four-armed Lord (Four-armed - Vishnu is always pictured with four arms, even though he is said to have thousands) is not obtained. ||Pause||
ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ

ਪੰਨਾ 1082, ਸਤਰ 14
ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥
स्रीरंग बैकुंठ के वासी ॥
Sarīrang baikunṯẖ ke vāsī.
ਸ੍ਰੀ+ਰੰਗ: ਲੱਛਮੀ ਨਾਲ ਰੰਗ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂੰ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਆਪੁ, ਬੈਕੁੰਠ:ਸਵਰਗ, ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂੰ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਨਿਵਾਸ ਸਥਾਨ
Vishnu, the one who dances with Lakshmi and the dweller of Heaven.

ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥
मछु कछु कूरमु आगिआ अउतरासी ॥
Macẖẖ kacẖẖ kūram āgi▫ā a▫uṯrāsī.
By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.
ਮਃ 5



ਪੰਨਾ 93, ਸਤਰ 4
ਗਰਭ ਛੋਡਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਮੰਡਲ ਆਇਆ ਤਉ ਨਰਹਰਿ ਮਨਹੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿਆ ॥੧॥
गरभ छोडि म्रित मंडल आइआ तउ नरहरि मनहु बिसारिआ ॥१॥
Garabẖ cẖẖod miṯar mandal ā▫i▫ā ṯa▫o narhar manhu bisāri▫ā. ||1||
Leaving the womb, you entered this mortal world; you have forgotten Narsingh/Narhar from your mind. ||1||
ਭਗਤ ਬੇਣੀ ਜੀ

ਪੰਨਾ 508, ਸਤਰ 4
ਨਾਥ ਨਰਹਰ ਦੀਨ ਬੰਧਵ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਦੇਵ ॥
नाथ नरहर दीन बंधव पतित पावन देव ॥
Nāth narhar ḏīn banḏẖav paṯiṯ pāvan ḏev.
O Lord, Man-lion Incarnate, Companion to the poor, Divine Purifier of sinners;
ਮਃ 5

ਪੰਨਾ 98, ਸਤਰ 9
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥
गुरमुखि संगी क्रिसन मुरारे ॥
Gurmukẖ sangī krisan murāre.
The Lord Krishna becomes the Gurmukh's Companion.
ਮਃ 5

BHAGAT SINGH Ji,
I must congratulate you for presenting the views which require serious attention for consideration of different NAMES used in Gurbanee.
Now the question is Do these Names actually are the references for VISHANu in Gurbanee.? This is most important question to get the answer for.

What is ultimate reality being refered in Gurbanee.?The Ultimate in Gurbanee is being refered as GuR JOTi/Prabhu JoTi.This is the Ultimate reference in Gurbanee and this is as per Quote

ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਆਪਿ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਕੀਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਾਪਿ ॥੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 290}
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38103
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38103
The ultimate Reality is being refered as NIRANKAAR.in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
The meanings of the words SARGUN and NIRGUN also require attention.The meanings of these words are not related to any sort of FORM.
SARGUN is the reference for ATTRIBUTES of NIRANKAAR and
NIRGUN is the reference for WITHOUT ATTRIBUTE of NIRANKAAR.

As far as manifestation of POWER of ULTIMATE REALITY as MAYA is concerned your concept is right.
From Gurbanee we learn that PERFECT JOTI (EKANKAARu) and Its POWER (ONKAAR)
both are pervading all over.(This is my understanding ,Many may not agree to this)
The PERFECT JOTi is also present within POWER(ONKAAR).

As a matter of fact this whole cocept of PERFECT JOTi(EKANKAARu) as well as POWER(ONKAAR) has been described in terms of the words GuRoo-GuRu and GuR (this also most of us dont agree)

Therefore all the NAMES refered in Gurbanee are for PURE and PERFECT GuR JoTi(EKANKAARu).GuRu Ji tells us to worship this GuR JoTi only thru NAAMu as HARiNAAMu/RAM NAAMu of this GuR JoTi .

Bhagat Singh Ji you are interprating Gurbanee considering VISHANu as the Ultimate Reality Which is not so in Gurbanee.Although it is so in Hindu Philosophy.

By now you should be able to understand the difference in Basic Philosophy of Gurbanee and that of Hindu Philosophy.

Since the whole Philosophy of Gurbanee is based on SINGLE WORD GURoo,there is no concept of GOD or GODDESSES in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .IT is all GuRoo ..........................only

Prakash.s.Bagga

Prakash ji,
This is the translation I go by.
ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38103
सलोकु ॥
Salok.
Shalok:
ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਆਪਿ ॥
सरगुन निरगुन निरंकार सुंन समाधी आपि ॥
Sargun nirgun nirankār sunn samāḏẖī āp.
He possesses all qualities; He transcends all qualities; He is the Formless Lord. He Himself is in Primal Samaadhi.
ਆਪਨ ਕੀਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਾਪਿ ॥੧॥
आपन कीआ नानका आपे ही फिरि जापि ॥१॥
Āpan kī▫ā nānkā āpe hī fir jāp. ||1||
Through His Creation, O Nanak, He meditates on Himself. ||1||

Gur Jot, Prabhu and Vishnu, Nirankar are one and the same. We worship Gurjot through Hari Naam and Ram Naam because Gurjot, Hari and Ram are the same.

God is both form and formless. Guru ji is clear on this. According to them, an individual becomes enlightened when they see no difference between form and formless.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38103

Now Ekankar and Ongkar mean the same thing to me. What difference do you see in them?

Gurbani is definitely Guru-oriented. That is we look towards and get our wisdom from the Guru and Guru alone. And developing wisdom is our only goal. Everything else, including this discussion, is trivial, with regards to our goals.