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Par.......atma.........vs par........Matma............our eyes play tricks..becasue we are conditioned that way.....there are various Paragraphs of sheer nonsense letters jumbled up..and we cna still READ those very well becasue our Brains "see" whats not even there... so its easy to make such mistakes...

Example: Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe......!!!!
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Par.......atma.........vs par........Matma............our eyes play tricks..becasue we are conditioned that way.....there are various Paragraphs of sheer nonsense letters jumbled up..and we cna still READ those very well becasue our Brains "see" whats not even there... so its easy to make such mistakes...

Example: Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe....
GIYANi JARNAIL SINGH Ji,

Does our GuRu tell the same as above.I shall be interested in confirmaton of this from within Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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If you ask me, it addresses it most to people who have no idea of religion in India and not necessarily Hindus. If you ask me, it was addressed more to the muslim kings than anyone, since they were the cause of the chaos.
Kamala ji you are 110% wrong. Muslims during Guru jis times were the best of people while the Brahmins and the rest of the clowns pillaged people with myths, class discrimination, protection of wisdom for the privileged, etc. It was squarely addressed to the purveyors of Hinduism with Deities, moortis, havans, pakhands, salvation for exchange of goods and services, the Brahmin shop, etc.

Many Muslim rulers and invaders were trash and just bad people but they came from linage of war lords, oppressors of weak, and so on. This started form Guru Arjan Dev ji onwards by which time Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was more or less 95% plus complete.

Sat Sri Akal.

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When the Gurus came on stage...certain words had already became INGRAINED on the masses' brains and minds...as such and such...already deeply rooted. For Guru Ji to INVENT or use entirely new words and then try and introduce those new words based on GURMATT would have been a task hugely waste of valuable time..a people used to living 1000 yeras in abject slavery to religious bigots, robber barons, looting pujarees, brahmins, pandits and kazis....hence Guru ji in his infinte wisdom decided to use the ESTABLISHED WORDS BUT Give them GURMATT MEANINGS...hence the RAAM of Gurmatt is NOT what the masses already beleived in..( King of Ayudhia, husband of Sita, son of Dasrath, commander of the hanuman forces etc..) BUT the RAAM that is the CREATOR....similarly Govind, Narayan, hari, parmatam etc etc...Inspite of this saving lots of time it still took over 250 years of human endeavour and 10 life times to bring about a physicla and mental paradigm shift to enable the slave minds to rebel and take charge and throw off the yokes......

2. Parkash Ji I am not saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is written in jumbled letters..i am saying how people can SEE PARmatma when there is NO Such word in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This is because the Parmatma is a most essential part of the vocabulary of Hinduism earlier than Guru nanak..Guru ji discarded this concept. Even the word used in the follwoing is Parmatam..Khalsa was created in Parmatam's mauj...NOT Parmatma's mauj.
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And Yes the aunkadd signifies SINGULAR..the Creator is SINGULAR and He is NOT a Super(SOUL) atma....the Parmatam is Parmatam.
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GIYANI JARNAIL SINGH Ji,
Thanks for your lucid presentation in respect of the use of the word PARMATAMA.
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Similarly there is no concept of GOD in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji . This should also be looked into .

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YES..there is NO "GOD" in Gurmatt/Gurbani/Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. God is in the Torah..the Bible...and the Koran (changed to Allah and slightly different).....BUT the Supreme Creator in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a Paradigm Shift from those concepts of God/Allah. This Creator NEVER...NEVER gets angry...NEVER destroys anything esp innocent men women and children/animals etc in anger or to make an example of..or to manifest His POWER...NEVER displays miracles...extraordinary feats such as plagues..turning rivers of water into blood..move mountains or churn oceans etc etc..NEVR gives Commandments and Orders..Never stays the SUN in order to give His chosen people a few more hours to fight and win..Never has Sons or daughters or avtaars...or Messengers to deliver His Message...Akal Purakh is most beneficient..most kind..most merciful..most pleasant..most sweet mouthed...LOVE LOVE and ONLY LOVE. Akal Purakh presides over neither heavens nor hells..he doesnt give rewards nor punishments...only LOVE pleases Him.
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Akal Purakh is most beneficient..most kind..most merciful
Gyani Ji If Akaal Purukh can be kind does that not mean he can choose to be other things ,for just as if God has the capacity to be kind ,which is a very personal charecteristic ,why can't he be angry as in the Biblical sense?

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YES..there is NO "GOD" in Gurmatt/Gurbani/Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. God is in the Torah..the Bible...and the Koran (changed to Allah and slightly different).....BUT the Supreme Creator in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a Paradigm Shift from those concepts of God/Allah. This Creator NEVER...NEVER gets angry...NEVER destroys anything esp innocent men women and children/animals etc in anger or to make an example of..or to manifest His POWER...NEVER displays miracles...extraordinary feats such as plagues..turning rivers of water into blood..move mountains or churn oceans etc etc..NEVR gives Commandments and Orders..Never stays the SUN in order to give His chosen people a few more hours to fight and win..Never has Sons or daughters or avtaars...or Messengers to deliver His Message...Akal Purakh is most beneficient..most kind..most merciful..most pleasant..most sweet mouthed...LOVE LOVE and ONLY LOVE. Akal Purakh presides over neither heavens nor hells..he doesnt give rewards nor punishments...only LOVE pleases Him.
Well your answer is exactly what is expected from a person of your background.
IsnT Surprising that all our preachers and scholars interprate Gurbanee with a concept of GOD or PARMATAMA/.This is perhaps the basic reason why we are not able to understand the true meanings of Gurbanee.
I hope you will keep guiding the people for this wrong concepts being prapogated thru Gurbanee.

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Gyani Ji If Akaal Purukh can be kind does that not mean he can choose to be other things ,for just as if God has the capacity to be kind ,which is a very personal charecteristic ,why can't he be angry as in the Biblical sense?

Of course HE Can Ji..BUT He IS NOT. He could be BLACK..but Hes WHITE by CHOICE.
I Can chose to be a serial Rapist..BUT I chose to be married to just One.
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