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Old 28-Jan-2012, 22:13 PM
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Prakashji,

Out of respect I have tended to not really get involved in debate with you, however as you have so kindly contributed to this thread, I feel honour bound to reply,

It should be interesting to know who has given definition to Sikhs.??

Well, that would probably be the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and for clarification on interpretation, the SRM, would you not say?
Harry Hallar ji,
Thanks for your interaction.I want you should be sure about Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
There is no such definition as given in SRM.Pl try to confirm this.
Prakash.s.Bagga

One should always respect the other faiths and philosophies
Well ,this is out of context of your reference .I have said so keeping in mind some other posts reated to this aspect.
Prakash.s.bagga

I have not shown any disrespect for any faith, I have merely said I do not believe in them any more than I believe in the tooth fairy, however, I respect all faiths and the right of anyone to follow whatever faith they choose. I am quite fond of the saying, if you are a Hindu, be a good Hindu, if you are a Muslim, be a good Muslim, and if you are a Sikh, be a good Sikh

I note that you use the phrase 'definition to Sikhs' as if you were speaking as someone who is not a Sikh, kindly explain
Well I am a Sikh but any how I am not convinced by the definition of Sikhs as given in SRM. My life is totally for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Prakash.S.Bagga



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Old 28-Jan-2012, 22:21 PM
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Well I am a Sikh but any how I am not convinced by the definition of Sikhs as given in SRM. My life is totally for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Prakash.S.Bagga
Prakashji,

This does rather beg the question, how important is the SRM, how definitive is the SRM for Sikhs, is someone not convinced by the SRM still a Sikh?

There are many sects that totally believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that do not follow the SRM, that is what makes them sects and not Sikhs, which one are you Prakashji
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Old 28-Jan-2012, 22:25 PM
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Mr.Haller, there is a difference between beleiving in a goddess/god and beleiveing they existed. I do not go to mandirs and pray to the gods/goddesses, I go to the mandir to pay my respects to them. I beleive that those goddesses/gods do exists and are real. That is the part where I say I am half Hindu on this forum because most of you do not believe the gods didn't even exist, when in fact there are many storys from the past between ~700 years that they have came prakat. I am Sikh and I bleive the gods EXISTED.

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KAMALA Ji,
Well I am of the opinion that one should not travel on two horses at a time.This is always dangerours in every situation of life.
Sikh philosophy is quite distict as from all others and this should not be practiced in mixed way.I dont see any point in getting asserted for the existence of what has been clearly explained as different in Sikh Philosophy.
In Sikh Philosophy there is all but GuRMuKH(i) NAAMu only.Every thing what you envsage as HINDu is taken care within NAAMu only.
I think this is important for anyone to understand this aspect of Sikh Philosophy.
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Old 28-Jan-2012, 22:29 PM
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Prakashji,

This does rather beg the question, how important is the SRM, how definitive is the SRM for Sikhs, is someone not convinced by the SRM still a Sikh?

There are many sects that totally believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that do not follow the SRM, that is what makes them sects and not Sikhs, which one are you Prakashji
I think this I should leave for your analysis.I dont belive in any sect out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.This is my life.
Prakash.S.Bagga
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I think this I should leave for your analysis.I dont belive in any sect out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.This is my life.
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Kamala Bhainji

I apologise for my bluntness, however, I do feel it is important that posters state their background so that readers know where their views come from. Your views tend to be quite definitive rather than suggestive, which gives readers, especially the young, sometimes the wrong impression about Sikhi.

May I make a suggestion, change your adherent to Sanatan Sikh, and your views can then be accepted in that context. When you say "We", than the rest of us will know you are talking about the Sanatan Sikh view, ie, a view that reconciles Sikh thinking with Hinduism.

A little about Sanatan Sikhs taken from Sikhiwikki that I think you may find interesting

There are a few Sikhs, who mix Sanatani (mainstream Hindu) views with Sikh thoughts. For them, Sikhism is a part of 'Sanatan Dharma' or Hinduism. In many of present Sikh circles, these Sikhs are called Sanatanis.
It is thought that Sanatani views are a new ideology, but there is a long history of Sanatani thinking. A few of Sanatani views can be found even in Sikh books written in 18th century. 'Gur Bilas', 'Bansavalinama' and 'Mahma Prakash' are included in the list of such books. Sanatani views became more acceptable during Maharaja Ranjit Singh's rule in Punjab for various reasons.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37952-is-hindu-sikh-a-valid-adherent.html
Sanatanis should not be confused with those people, who show disrespect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib or other Sikh Gurus. In fact, Sanatanis show deep respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. They accept it their Guru. At the same time, they also believe in Vedas and Puranas. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has been accepted the fifth Veda.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37952


As a Sanatan Sikh, I can debate and discuss any facet of Sikhism and Hinduism, whilst showing respect for your chosen adherent.

As a Hindu Sikh, your adherent is meaningless, confusing and ambiguous.

Whatever you are, be proud of it and stand up for your views, You will find others will respect you a lot more for it, rather than darting from one camp to the other.

Best Wishes,

Harry
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[QUOTE=harry haller;159850]Gurfatehji

Hinduism has reincarnation, Sikhism does not
Hinduism has Karma, Sikhism does not


I'm sorry to disagree with the reincarnation and karma issue, which has been mentioned previously in other posts.

In the Guru Granth Sahib both issues are repeatedly mentioned-
A Sikh's ultimate goal is to achieve Mukti or salvation thus escaping the endless cycle of 84 lak reincarnations.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 4

aape bhij aape hi khaahu
Nanak hukme avhu jahu
you shall harvest what you plant
says Nanak,by the hukam of gods command, we come and go in reincarnation.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 2

Karmi avae kapra nadhri mokh duar
by the karma of past actions,the robe of this physical body is obtained,By his grace,the gate of liberation is found.

The soul transmigrates from one body or species to another until it comes in unity with God. The hukam of God and the physical aspects of the soul in a physical life form are determined by the past and previous karma.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37952
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37952

This understanding is made quire clear throughout the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Getting back to the question of Sikh/Hindu adherency. I feel that if a Hindu familyfor eg. has a member that becomes a sikh, then that person will obviously respect and acknowledge both faiths and vica versa.

As a Sikh, we should respect and acknowledge all of humanity- as we are all One within the One.
I don't believe that we have the right to judge the integrity of someone claiming to be a sikh/hindu and we have no right to judge them and class them or put them outside the boundaries of Sikhism feeling that they are not good enough to be a hindu or sikh..
'Ek onkaar' and God should dictate these.

Waheguru
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