Waheguru Simran, Nitnem, Gurbani Study: Which you do most and why?

Tejwant Singh · #73 (**permalink**) 06-Dec-2011, 23:03 PM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

TEJWANT SINGHJI,,
REF.....................WORD GuRu

guru prmysuru pUjIAY min qin lwie ipAwru ] (52-9)
gur parmaysur poojee-ai man tan laa-ay pi-aar.
Worship the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, with your mind and body attuned to love.
siqguru dwqw jIA kw sBsY dyie ADwru ] (52-10)
satgur daataa jee-a kaa sabhsai day-ay aDhaar.
The True Guru is the Giver of the soul; He gives Support to all.
siqgur bcn kmwvxy scw eyhu vIcwru ] (52-10)
satgur bachan kamaavnay sachaa ayhu veechaar.
Act according to the Instructions of the True Guru; this is the true philosophy.
ibnu swDU sMgiq riqAw mwieAw mohu sBu Cwru ]1] (52-11)
bin saaDhoo sangat rati-aa maa-i-aa moh sabh chhaar. ||1||
Without being attuned to the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, all attachment to Maya is just dust. ||1||
myry swjn hir hir nwmu smwil ] (52-11)
mayray saajan har har naam samaal.
O my friend, reflect upon the Name of the Lord, Har, Har
swDU sMgiq min vsY pUrn hovY Gwl ]1] rhwau ] (52-12)
saaDhoo sangat man vasai pooran hovai ghaal. ||1|| rahaa-o.
. In the Saadh Sangat, He dwells within the mind, and one's works are brought to perfect fruition. ||1||Pause||
guru smrQu Apwru guru vfBwgI drsnu hoie ] (52-12)
gur samrath apaar gur vadbhaagee darsan ho-ay.
The Guru is All-powerful, the Guru is Infinite. By great good fortune, the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is obtained.
guru Agocru inrmlw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] (52-13)
gur agochar nirmalaa gur jayvad avar na ko-ay.
The Guru is Imperceptible, Immaculate and Pure. There is no other as great as the Guru.
guru krqw guru krxhwru gurmuiK scI soie ] (52-13)
gur kartaa gur karanhaar gurmukh sachee so-ay

This sabad could not be posted in full.The sabad is from Sree Raagu m5 pp-52
Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for the 2 Shabads posted by you. I am sorry to say, I can not read your font. Please copy & paste from srigranth.org. The font from this site is legible.

Secondly, you forgot the most important part. I had requested you to explain the Shabad in your own words. The explanation of the WHOLE SHABAD in your own words is a must because of your grammar expertise. We are talking about understanding of Gurbani- Shabad Guru- not discussing the difference between the 3 types of words Gur,Guru,Guroo.

Hope to learn from your expertise.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Ambarsaria · #74 (**permalink**) 07-Dec-2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by charanjit

I will now make mention of Guru Nanak. And I am certain that after you have read what I have to say about him you will again fall in the trap of

. You will also be offended that I have called them empty footsteps, for sadly you are stuck and attached to words. *Just watch yourself and you will see, how much slaves we are to following people. The Sikh will never be free.*[/QUOTE]

Charanjit ji, some comments on parts of your post,Your Handle says "Learner", can you identify what you are learning as you will see later you have learnt little from your perceived ability to translate Gurbani let alone do it in a scholarly or learned way,

Can you please clarify "empty foot steps" underlines above. Which full footsteps are you recognizing or understanding of?
- I believe your hands are too tired till some times next month to share your wisdom
- Your wisdom is like baloney to me and perhaps for you all Sikhs beliefs or knowledge in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is baloney to you
  - I so await your next precise post of facts with baited breath

Let us slowly read your further pearls of wisdom (as per your suggestion I am reading very slowly but find nothing to read

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Now watch yourself carefully as you slowly read these words.*
"Guru Nanak said sochai soch an hovai
Jih Sochi lakh var.
This my dear friends is a warning to you (Never met someone so caring

)that all your prayers and simran are a figment of your imagination. You may convince yourself that it is something else. I can assure you it is totally empty. Watch yourself. Watch yourself when you prayer and you will see for yourself that your prayer is only out of greed and self interest.

ਸੋਚੈ ਸੋਚਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਜੇ ਸੋਚੀ ਲਖ ਵਾਰ ॥

ਜੇ ਮੈਂ ਲੱਖ ਵਾਰੀ (ਭੀ) (ਇਸ਼ਨਾਨ ਆਦਿਕ ਨਾਲ ਸਰੀਰ ਦੀ) ਸੁੱਚ ਰੱਖਾਂ, (ਤਾਂ ਭੀ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ) ਸੁੱਚ ਰੱਖਣ ਨਾਲ (ਮਨ ਦੀ) ਸੁੱਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਰਹਿ ਸਕਦੀ
Taking 100's of thousands of baths (like dipping in Ganga, etc.) your mind will not become pure

Next time in India try a bath in the grand Ganges and see if it helps you think clear and pure.

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That you may gain something. It is all a creation of your mind.*

So Charanjit ji what you say is not creation of your mind.

If you are content with another man's dusty footprints, then so be it. ( I am certain that some of you reading this will say to yourself that you are content with Guru Nanak's dusty prints, if so, so be it) Take care

[/QUOTE]I am sorry Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not Guru Nanak Dev ji's dusty foot prints. Where are you learning this from or who is teaching or taught you this?

Take care of yourself, you wouldn't be the first one to insult Guru ji. In one such case of a young one kicking Guru ji, Guru ji called the kid over and started massaging his feet in case the kids nimble bones got hurt versus Guru jis older hardened body.

If you are a juvenile, I suggest you to do some primary research and learn, read and then write. I apologize to you for hurting your feelings.

If you are adult of sound mind and body shame on you for mis-quoting, mis-interpreting Gurbani and abusing Guru ji's name when he is not here to defend himself.

Hopefully you will meet some local Sikhs that you can review your thoughts with and then report back an affirmation or correction of your thoughts.

Sat Sri Akal, or whatever, as perhaps this is not the greeting you are used to.

ravneet_sb · #75 (**permalink**) 08-Dec-2011, 09:15 AM

Sat Sri Akaal,

What one give, so one gets.

Its Sat Sangat, congregation for seeker's of truth.
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Let's shed our "EGO" personal awareness,

Let's join "Sat Sangat" as foolish ignorant, and learn from each other.

and not feel self as an enlightened soul's.

As the knowledge is "Ocean" and one has "POT" one pot cannot have ocean.

So one can merge his "POT" in "Ocean" and be part of "SAT SANGAT"

Each one has supreme experience's from life.

Keep some place in mind to receive, chance to deliver is also there.

"Deliver way one expects to receive"

There is etiquette,

needs to be followed by one in "SAT SANGAT".

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Scarlet Pimpernel · #76 (**permalink**) 08-Dec-2011, 10:16 AM

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say to yourself that you are content with Guru Nanak's dusty prints, if so, so be it

Veera, Divine Guru Nanak's foot dust is like gold dust,ofcourse it can make the greediest man content,everyone knows the Guru's Word is not dust, but it does help us differentiate between that which is dust and that which is dust-free, and it goes onto explain that this is only possible through dustiny.

Navdeep88 · #77 (**permalink**) 08-Dec-2011, 11:44 AM

Simran, because it occupies a lot of the time I spent driving to and from school, and work. It gives contentment, and even confidence to do well.

Ambarsaria · #78 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 00:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Navdeep88

Simran, because it occupies a lot of the time I spent driving to and from school, and work. It gives contentment, and even confidence to do well.

I am no biology Major but perhaps someone can comment. I believe doing Simran perhaps releases all kind of chemicals and perhaps dependent upon the vigor with which it is done, may be a lot of Adrenalin.

What gets released or gets reduced in release during calming Simran, I do not know.

Any comments.

Sat Sri Akal.

harry haller · #79 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 01:02 AM

Gurfatehji,

Ambarsariaji, maybe you should try it, so you have an understanding of what happens, in an effort to see what all the fuss was about, I decided to do some meditation/chanting to see what happened.

I chose the most relaxing place in the house, a hot bath, where I do all my thinking, and I shut the door so the animals could not come in. I then put the lights out and sat in the bath. Closing my eyes, I emptied my head, and fixed my thoughts on nothing, and started chanting Waheguru, in time to my breathing, sure enough, I was racing through the stars, universes, clouds, oceans, mountains, it was a real good light show, then I switched words, and chanted Dell, nothing changed, the effect was the same, I was in fact retreating into my mind, something I knew would happen, and as pleasant as it was, the crux here is many would believe that retreating into your mind is getting close to God, becoming part of the one, the whole, and they may be correct, but I have to add that once I had finished, I knew no more, nor any less then when I had started, normally in the bath, I play around with the banks of switches in my head, and flick them off and on and see what happens, or I think of the thieves, and what can be done about them, or whether I am in control, or I am in Hukam, or I am a slave to a thief, I fantasise about having them all tied up and pulling me in a sled, I think about how I am going to achieve this, how it would affect my current mental setup, I can spend hours in that bath debating internally
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On reflection, I got bored quite quickly with the light show, I had had this feeling before, its called being high, where you just sit back and watch, there is no interaction, just visuals, I myself prefer the debating, after a while, I may get up from the bath having resolved to try something new to trap the thieves, it may work, it may not, but those bath sessions have worked well for me, it was in that very bath a year ago I resolved to find a forum or like minded souls to interact with, to kill off all the sub personalities, to realise what being a Sikh meant to me,
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However, we are all different, I am sure there are those that get inspiration from this sort of Simran, maybe they are unable to debate, so there is no light show, maybe their place is with Simran and not debate, maybe I am not meant to see anything other than what I saw

Hey, all roads lead to Rome, ours is not to understand or judge, as long as the end result is what Guruji wanted, each to his own

Ambarsaria · #80 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 01:51 AM

Thanks veer Harry ji, hopefully the water was not scalding hot that you started seeing flashes

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It is amazing what imagery gets created by mind all the time. Some related to conscious and a whole bunch to unconscious! Fun stuff.
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I like your Dell versus Waheguru experiment. Perhaps if you closed your eyes in your shop and chanted Dell you may see something different. Very hard to change mind flows and I bet that is what happened in your bath

Sat Sri Akal.

Tejwant Singh · #81 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 02:16 AM

That is why I do not call repeating one or 2 any words Simran because that is not what it means in Sikhi.
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Harry ji is right, even Barry White in the background singing," You are my first, my last, my everything" will do or may be will do much better.