Which is more important Simran or Sewa?

Ambarsaria · #91 (**permalink**) 23-Nov-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taranjeet singh

Ambarsaria ji,

We are no experts, But learners some may be seekers. You can post First ashpadi in parts as these are fairly lengthy. In the mean time,permitting time, you may keep on working on the next ashtpadi. If you post the entire Astpadi in a single post, I apprehend, the learners like me would find it very difficult to assimilate.
Kindly give it a thought. Also please begin a new thread for this purpose.

Thanks and Regards,

Taranjeet Singh ji as I write I have completed 11 ashtpadian in first draft form. I am trying to do two a day and each one takes about couple of hours plus minus.

I do want to present in ways so it is easy to correct with spn sangat inputs, comments, criticisms and so forth. I want to complete as many as possible and then start the post later next week.

At that time we can review the best mode of posting but I thank you for your interest and encouragement/ideas.

Sat Sri Akal.

chazSingh · #92 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 22:31 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

dare I say it?

A moment spent in meditation for the self, is a moment lost to Sewa

Satnaam harry Ji,

a famous singer called michael jackson

once said "if you want to make the world a better place...take a look at yourself and make a change"

so self evaluation is the key. If we have many arguments, stop looking at the other person...evaluate oneself first and think how we could have acted more humbly.

following on from this...
Lets say we're standing at a buss stop, and an attractive woman stands next to us...a thought comes into our minds, saying "wow, she is soo attractive, i wouldnt mind being with her".
Now, we may not attack her or force something on her which is good
but, why is this thought coming into our minds?

this woman may be standing next to us feeling safe, but would she stand next to us if she could hear our thoughts?....i think she would move away.

We all have the experience of having some crazy thoughts...and we feel ashamed that we had the thoughts, and we sometimes hold our heads and ask that the thoughts stop....can we not control our own thoughts? where are the thousands of thoughts coming from on a daily basis?

answer is our Subconscious mind which pours in thoughts ever second.
When we sit quietly and focus on doing Simran, we can start to pay very close attention to our thoughts...what they are, and start to seperate ourselves from the thoughts and make them powerless.

Eventually, those negative thoughts, fears, desires, start to subside and go away.

If my mind becomes purer, my Seva also becomes purer and more fruitful.

therefore, it cannot be selfish when someone is trying to clear there minds of negativity.

God bless all.

chazSingh · #93 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 22:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Seva is the only Simran. Seva of reading,understanding,accepting and putting Gurbani into practice to make this world a better place is the true Simran.

Without the above, the Simran is nothing but a parroting of some mumbo jumbo which may make one a great parrot with an ugly plummage, like a quick fix for a drug junkie whose effect is very transitory.
Satnaam Tejwant Singh, when i sit in a quiet room (daily), repeating the word Satnaam in my mind, focussing on the vibrations that flows through my mind, feeling my third eye (pineal gland) vibrate gently, and i see the parkash (divine light) of my soul, and i feel the energy flow through my body....but at the same time, my mind tries to stop me from focussing on my satnaam, with thoughts of women, money, family issues, anger towards someone.....but then i shake it off and continue focussing on waheguru ji, and my mind settles again and i smile whilst in meditation, maybe a tear due to the Bhairag (sadness) i sometimes feel at feeling seperated with Giod when i know he's sitting right there inside of me...

i dont think this is just mere "parroting of some mumbo jumbo"

after an hour or two doing my Simran, i feel refreshed, energized, cleared of sexual thoughts, greed for money and feel forgiving to everyone no matter what they say to me....then my daily Seva starts to take on a whole new meaning and level.

If feeling good for a little while is the only objective, then one can repeat "Lady Gaga" for half an hour daily and feel great for a little while. One has met the end objective by repeating some words whose effect will not last long but it may hang the mental banner within of,"Mission Accomplished" for the sake of Me-ism.

This mumbo-jumbo is Gurbani, a manifestation in the physical world of the anhad shabad that flows through the creation...the mind vibrations of the universal conscious mind (god). Lady Gafa will definately not have the same effect

But if doing good through Seva is the means of feeling good, then it is the true Simran in Sikhi which not only lasts longer but eventually becomes our second nature. Hence, second nature of doing Seva makes feeling good for good.

This is the only Simran in Sikhi.
From my own experiences, Seva has bought in Humilty and respect for all things created by God, Humulity is the opposite to Ego, and will provide the grounding to experiencing the divine light within our own self.

iehu Bvjlu jgtu sbiw gur trIA{ .
A;tr kI wuibWa A;tir jrIA{ .
p;c baN l[ jm kxu mar{ ggn;tir WNKu czaieAa .9.
sakt nir sbw surit ikxu paeIA{ .
sbwu surit ibnu AaeIA{ jaeIA{ .
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1042
Through the Shabad Guru, one crosses over this world‐ocean.
The duality (separation belief) within is burnt within.
The five celestial sounds ( panch shabads) being the arrow and the drawn bow is aimed at the Tenth Gate in the Sky within, the death is beaten.
The faithless cynics cannot attain enlightened awareness of the Shabad.
Without awareness of the Shabad, they come and go in reincarnation.
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1042

Tejwant Singh

PS: On a side note, my wife's name is Simran, so if I repeat her name twice to beg for her attention, then I am in big trouble and the sofa gives me back cramps.

God bless all

chazSingh · #94 (**permalink**) 12-Apr-2012, 23:10 PM

Satnaam Sat Sangat Ji,

Please take the time to read this very short E-Book:
ANHAD SHABAD - The Celestial sound within
http://www.esnips.com/displayimage.php?pid=3987071

It beautifully describes the essence of Naam, Anhad Shabad that flows through creation, what Shabad Guru is, and how we can connect to the source - our creator Lord.

It has many gurbani quotes backing up the descriptions.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37550-which-is-more-important-simran-sewa.html

It is said that the length of our life is determined by a set number of breaths, not years and months...but breaths...

Lets all not waste any more breaths and concentrate with full faith on doing our Simran

My Guru is always with me, near at hand. Through simran and simran by
remembering Him, I keep Him with me ever.
-Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 394

and then maybe the follwing will take place

sc{ sbiw mnu m]ihAa pRiB Aap[ le[ imlaie .
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37550
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35
The Shabad of the True one fascinates the mind;
And then God Himself arranges the meeting.
‐ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35

God Bless all

TruthSatnaam · #95 (**permalink**) 19-Jun-2012, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Which one is more important from these two in the life of sikh ?

Simran.
To apply GGS into daily life through Sewa

My own opinion, and it is only an opinion, and opinions change with time, is that Simran is for the self, Sewa is for Creation

Satnaam

Ok, heres's what it is. Gurbani tells us to wake up in the ambrosial hours. This is The amrit vela- 1am- around 6am. Amrit vela Naam simran from 1am to 3:30 am is literally a million times magnified compared to daytime/evening simran at the beginning of bhagti.

It may feel like discipline awaking at this time at the beginning- but it is actually Love.

During these hours, attune yourself to naam- give up your sense of self- Silence your Mind(to live by the true heart- which is His heart)- Shut those theives up!

Relax, listen to anhad naad(symbolic of the Silence/ the frequency of Truth) let go, let the smaadhi take you over. Attunement to the frequency of Naam is Attunement to Truth as Naam=Truth/silence/Nothing. The Silence/Frequency of Nothing is beyond maya.

Naam simran is not just a name that you repeat with your tongue or in your body. Naam is All Pervading- it is Truth. The trees whisper it, the beings of the universe live in Karam of it.

It is the frequency of a balanced gyan that applies across a universal spectrum that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nasha of the disocvery- be it a high(worldly pleasure) or low(pain).

It is Embracing the entire creation- to remain in the balance in which the universe and Beyond always remains in- instead of embracing and attaching ourselves to certain parts of it- i.e pleasure or pain through certain people, places etc.

Living in maya is listening to worldly logic that makes us believe things are separate. Truth is the awareness that it's All the Whole/Truth. Pleasure(heaven)+ pain(hell)=Nothing/Balance.

Through samadhi/attunement to Truth, we begin to discover the reality of the creation around us.

To practice the Truth that you discover in samadhi during the day- throughout your natural life is practicing Truth, going further than this, Gurbani asks us to do seva. Helping others is doing bhagti- but remember what Gurbani says about doing charitable acts without practicing Truth..

We speak Truth, serve Truth, Deliver Truth, Die Truth.

Our purpose is to detach from the khel, then teach others out of it aswell.

Our Gurus were the perfect examples of True sewadars- they spoke, served and delivered Truth to the masses, while remaining in death of it(death of self into Truth/Hukam/God).

Through disregarding the Self as Nothing, living at the feet of others(remaining lowest of the low and serving/delivering Truth) and in finding the death of self(in accepting God/Hukam/Truth as our keeper), we go further than just samadhi through naam simran.

Satnaam

Kaur 1968 · #96 (**permalink**) 20-Jun-2012, 04:48 AM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh!

I agree with Mai Harinder Kaur ji

many are agree that seva is for others and simran is for own sake. simran makes oneself happy and seve makes others and oneself happy. naam to bina kiti seva shows our pride. Guru Granth Sahib ji is not the rule book, one can read overnight and next day apply easily on them. we need to teach our mind first by doing simran. God did great kirpa on Harry veer ji so he doesn't need to do simran. But honestly i would say some like me are biginner and so really need it

i have been reading gurbani since i was a child, at first only 5 pauria Japuji Sahib, then whole Japuji Sahib and then start panj bania after i baptized in 1999. Now i am hungry for simron it teaches me to conect me with ownself
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37550
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37550

bhul chuk Maaf

gurfateh
Gurfateh

Luckysingh · #97 (**permalink**) 20-Jun-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaur 1968

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh!

I agree with Mai Harinder Kaur ji

many are agree that seva is for others and simran is for own sake. simran makes oneself happy and seve makes others and oneself happy. naam to bina kiti seva shows our pride. Guru Granth Sahib ji is not the rule book, one can read overnight and next day apply easily on them. we need to teach our mind first by doing simran. God did great kirpa on Harry veer ji so he doesn't need to do simran. But honestly i would say some like me are biginner and so really need it

i have been reading gurbani since i was a child, at first only 5 pauria Japuji Sahib, then whole Japuji Sahib and then start panj bania after i baptized in 1999. Now i am hungry for simron it teaches me to conect me with ownself

bhul chuk Maaf

gurfateh
Gurfateh

You say you are hungry and wanting to do simran now. This is because you really feel and know that you need it.
I understand, as I felt the same not too long ago.
I had actually never gave simran and meditation a single thought before, but for some reason a point came in my life where I was 'needing' this.

I'm not sure what sparked it or what was the cause, but it was almost like an awakening. Trust me, you will find what you are looking for.

It seems that sometimes the Lord requires us to make that little extra effort whilst he guides us there.
The Guru is giving you that yearning and wanting to take the simran path.

You will find that it will come much easier this way and you will wonder why you never did this before.

We get too busy thinking that we know what we need to know. But, we never know it all and there is so much to learn that the Guru gives us this whole lifetime which still isn't enough for most of us as we waste too much time.

Waheguru
Lucky Singh

ravneet_sb · #98 (**permalink**) 20-Jun-2012, 12:49 PM

Sat Sri Akaal,

Simran is in Mind
Sewa is Physical

One should do "Sewa" all actions with "Simran" of "GURU's BANI".

Earth and Sky have no comparison, both are equally important.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37550

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Astroboy · #99 (**permalink**) 20-Jun-2012, 13:05 PM

What is more important? Simran or Sewa?

It is neither if it does not lead to understanding and wholly accepting His will.

In Asa Di Waar,

Sabhnee Challa Marriyaa, Karta Karey So Hoey.

Everyone makes an attempt, but what the creator Lord does, comes to pass.