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beautiful thread, wonderful posts, for the record, I think anyone who uses a photo to focus their devotion is doing nothing wrong at all, having Guru's photographs is a reminder of the human being we wish to emulate, putting hands together is a mark of respect, the prayer itself is directed at Creator. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37390-guru-jis-paintings-house-admire-art.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37390
I cannot add much to this thread but it is wonderful to see you three giants in harmony * 
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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga  TEJWANT SINGH Ji,
In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we do find the use of the word refering to Khanda.Here the word Khanda is a metaphor to represent Neutral Thinking of the mind to understand every positive or negatives as same.That is What I gather from the context of Gurbani. | Parkash Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
I am aware of that but our discussion was strictly on the origins and the true meaning of the Khanda as insignia. As mentioned before, Khanda is actually what is in the middle- the double edged sword.
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03-Nov-2011, 07:24 AM
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 re: Guru ji's Paintings in the House: Admire as Art, Show Respect, or Should not Keep! Quote:
Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh Parkash Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
I am aware of that but our discussion was strictly on the origins and the true meaning of the Khanda as insignia. As mentioned before, Khanda is actually what is in the middle- the double edged sword.
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Tejwant Singh | Tejwant Singh ji we can perhaps start to build a date froward for it. The following painting is Dated at samat Guru Nanak ji ka 408. So I assume it put the date as 1877 (1469 +408). Worth noting that there is no Khanda symbol shown by the painter, 
I also found another post on another forum which appears very plausible and it is quoted below, Quote: Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
Like many cultural ideas and items introduced by the Singh Sabha movement the Khanda is another symbol introduced in Sikhism at about the same time by modifying the Ajgaha used by Nihangs on the front of their dastars.
Ajgaha is a steel circle or chakar with a double-edged sword standing on its top with the bottom of the handle touching the top edge of the circle.
The innovators belonging I think to Panch Khalsa Diwan and later followers of Sant Randhir Singh ji modified the Ajgaha by lowering the double-edged sword to be in the middle of the chakar, the lower tip of the handle touching the lower edge of chakar. Two swords were added around the chakar khanda combination. This was adopted by the Sikh authorites and added to the Jhande Bunge near Akal Takhat in the sri Harmandir Sahib at the junction of the crossbars supporting the two nishan sahibs following a lightening strike on the Nishan Sahibs.
The Ajgaha symbol represented the Sikh moto "Degh Tegh Fateh". The Degh is represented by the chakar circle representing the rim of the Degh used for cooking food and the Tegh of course is represented by the Khanda on top of the Degh rim.
In the old paintings of Nishan sahibs we only see the Khanda as such that too on the top of the pole as it is now seen in the Nishan Sahib throughout the world. We do not see the modern Khanda printed on the furled cloth as we do now.
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Serjinder Singh | The true Khanda of course required tall, strong Sikhs with heavier build to carry and use it. It perhaps was the strongest and heaviest hand held armament during the Sikh battles and wars pre Maharajah Ranjit Singh and the misls. 
British Military badge for Sikh Army contingents. 
So all signs point towards the period of Singh Sabha Movement time frames to define the shape of the Khanda as it is today or early 1900s. There appear close similies but not the exact arrangement as it is today in old artifacts.
The interpretations touch on two extremes of all military weaponry/arms to spiritual symbology discussed earlier in this thread.
Hope it is of help.
Sat Sri Akal
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37390
Watch it very closely Ambarsaria ji. I think you will enjoy the entire thing eventhough Khanda-related material appears only briefly. | | The following member appreciates BhagatSingh Ji for the above message. | |
04-Nov-2011, 06:51 AM
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Thanks Veer Bhagat Singh ji I watched the whole video. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37390
Very nicely done. So in this video Davinder.S.Toor alludes that the early spotting of the modern Khanda symbol was around 1903. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37390
People looking for this part can go forward to 39' 35" onwards. I would highly recommend all to watch this video. 
Sat Sri Akal.
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