What is God? or in which type of God do You Believe?

Chinu · #1 (**permalink**) 29-Oct-2011, 18:05 PM

Well.. Myself: Chinu / M / 32, Punjab/Bathinda, Religion: Sikhism,
Few days before i registered myslelf here, and i think this is big luck for me that am between you all here in a hope that i'll get my religious answers which i was seeking from a very long time.

So... my first question is:
What is God ? or In which type of God do you believe in ? How and why ?

But as a answer please don't keep the steeks of gurbani in front of me, ie: "Eakomkaar satnaam kartapurakh........and so on", because this is not our own realizeation, please give me what you have realized your own.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37386-what-god-type-god-do-you.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37386

For the mean time "Satshriakal".

harry haller · #2 (**permalink**) 29-Oct-2011, 19:48 PM

Welcome Chinuji

I believe a persons idea of god is extremely personal, mine is quite boring to be honest,

Firstly I have an aversion to the use of the word god, as I find it deeply Abrahamic, so my name for 'god' would be Creator. The relationship I have with Creator is defined by my interaction with creation, animals, humans, trees, anything that has the essence of Creator within, I do not talk with Creator, other than the essence in my head, with whom I converse more than I do with real people, I certainly do not ask Creator for anything, or 'pray' for things.

I believe that the way in which you live, think and speak defines in effect how your respect to Creator is shown, like many, I am swayed by some of the five thieves, but contemplation of effects, and weighing up the pros and cons, tends to keep me largely on the right track, I hope!

I do not believe Creator has any interest in me, other than expecting me to live my life to its fullest potential within the boundaries of Sikhi, I certainly do not do actions to please Creator, although pleasing the essence of Creator I find in creation makes me very happy

So, my 'god' is a non interventionist god with little interest in me, whom I do not pray to, or talk to, my prayers are done through actions, I am a huge fan of Sewa, but not Simran, I despise ritual of any sort that is designed to ensure a certain outcome, I never blame 'god' nor do I question 'god', I believe that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains the tools we need to live a good and happy life, and connect ourselves with Creator and creation.

Scarlet Pimpernel · #3 (**permalink**) 29-Oct-2011, 20:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chinu

please give me what you have realized your own

Veera No one can give you what they have realised,only one in a million realises and when that one does he keeps quiet about it,because no one else can really understand their realisation.

Chinu · #4 (**permalink**) 29-Oct-2011, 20:19 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Welcome Chinuji

I believe a persons idea of god is extremely personal, mine is quite boring to be honest,

Firstly I have an aversion to the use of the word god, as I find it deeply Abrahamic, so my name for 'god' would be Creator. The relationship I have with Creator is defined by my interaction with creation, animals, humans, trees, anything that has the essence of Creator within, I do not talk with Creator, other than the essence in my head, with whom I converse more than I do with real people, I certainly do not ask Creator for anything, or 'pray' for things.

I believe that the way in which you live, think and speak defines in effect how your respect to Creator is shown, like many, I am swayed by some of the five thieves, but contemplation of effects, and weighing up the pros and cons, tends to keep me largely on the right track, I hope!

I do not believe Creator has any interest in me, other than expecting me to live my life to its fullest potential within the boundaries of Sikhi, I certainly do not do actions to please Creator, although pleasing the essence of Creator I find in creation makes me very happy

So, my 'god' is a non interventionist god with little interest in me, whom I do not pray to, or talk to, my prayers are done through actions, I am a huge fan of Sewa, but not Simran, I despise ritual of any sort that is designed to ensure a certain outcome, I never blame 'god' nor do I question 'god', I believe that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains the tools we need to live a good and happy life, and connect ourselves with Creator and creation.

Very nice to meet you -- harry -- and thanks for the valuable reply.

Chinu.

Chinu · #5 (**permalink**) 29-Oct-2011, 20:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

Veera No one can give you what they have realised,only one in a million realises and when that one does he keeps quiet about it,because no one else can really understand their realisation.

Its ok... but from where and how you realized all this -- which you have written above ? let me.. to reach the stage of understandings where you are now.

Scarlet Pimpernel · #6 (**permalink**) 30-Oct-2011, 00:26 AM

Quote:

Its ok... but from where and how you realized all this -- which you have written above ? let me

Veera, realisation to me is very high state ,you might not have used the term as I understand it ,but if your question is more about what one has come to learn or aquired knowledge as to the general way of proceeding ,then absorbing those lines of Gurbani which you did not want quoted is essential. Many seem to believe they can understand God without the Guru,that surprises me because what would the Word of any faith be intended for, if not to facilitate realisation or understanding.
The fact most Sikhs have never read their own Guru's word or cultivated any love for it also saddens me.
But this is the same for most faiths ,most muslims have never read the Koran and probably most Christians have not read the Bible enough to quote passages.
The strange thing about faith is that even without reading what I would deem prescribed reading many people are still very Sikh,Christian or Muslim, in so much as they are still very compassionate ,moral and further believe in what is an Eternal Distinct Entity, although they might not describe it as such.

Ambarsaria · #7 (**permalink**) 30-Oct-2011, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinu

Well.. Myself: Chinu / M / 32, Punjab/Bathinda, Religion: Sikhism,
Few days before i registered myslelf here, and i think this is big luck for me that am between you all here in a hope that i'll get my religious answers which i was seeking from a very long time.

So... my first question is:
What is God ? or In which type of God do you believe in ? How and why ?

But as a answer please don't keep the steeks of gurbani in front of me, ie: "Eakomkaar satnaam kartapurakh........and so on", because this is not our own realizeation, please give me what you have realized your own.

For the mean time "Satshriakal".

Chinu veer welcome to spn. mundahug

I have very little to add to what veer Harry said in the post above (http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/genera...tml#post155628). That is how I feel.

I do pray and in a way such a prayer is to self and the soul within as a reminder. I pray for wellness of all, sometimes specific and always seeking that I may not do bad against anyone. This for me is not a statement to God/creator but us reminding ourselves with the gift that we are from one creator.

Sat Sri Akal.

harry haller · #8 (**permalink**) 30-Oct-2011, 17:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinu

Its ok... but from where and how you realized all this -- which you have written above ? let me.. to reach the stage of understandings where you are now.

Chinuji

I am afraid I am still far away from understanding, all I have is awareness at this stage, although I am optimistic I am approaching a stage of understanding.,

All it takes to reach a stage of awareness in my opinion is to take a good hard look at yourself and realise who you are, unfortunately, only you can do this, we are all different, what excites and depresses me are going to be different to the things that excite and depress you, my advice would be to come to some sort of peace with yourself, and your thieves, be honest about yourself, be true to yourself, it is pointless trying to change yourself to be someone else, only when we look in the mirror and see every person within us, and be able to love the good and control the bad, are we then ready to move on to the next step.

The next step is to embrace Creator and Creation, but even that is personal, some pray, some do sewa, some feel the pain in every living being and have to do something about it, some guide others, every one of us has our own role to play in this great opera, we all have the ability to be the in the starring role, some will be famous for being good, some will be famous for being thief led, but we all have a role to play, and in serving Creation and Creator there are many many many ways to fulfill that, in my humble view

Every day is a journey, and every day should be savoured, enjoy the journey, its all we have

Chinu · #9 (**permalink**) 31-Oct-2011, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

Veera, realisation to me is very high state ,you might not have used the term as I understand it ,but if your question is more about what one has come to learn or aquired knowledge as to the general way of proceeding ,then absorbing those lines of Gurbani which you did not want quoted is essential. Many seem to believe they can understand God without the Guru,that surprises me because what would the Word of any faith be intended for, if not to facilitate realisation or understanding.
The fact most Sikhs have never read their own Guru's word or cultivated any love for it also saddens me.
But this is the same for most faiths ,most muslims have never read the Koran and probably most Christians have not read the Bible enough to quote passages.
The strange thing about faith is that even without reading what I would deem prescribed reading many people are still very Sikh,Christian or Muslim, in so much as they are still very compassionate ,moral and further believe in what is an Eternal Distinct Entity, although they might not describe it as such.

So.. Scarlet do you mean to say that -- Source of your spiritual understandings or everybody's understandings are just Holy-Books, nothing else ?