Are strength, dominance, decisiveness, protectiveness masculine qualities?

harry haller · #1 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 13:58 PM

Gurfatehji

In another post, the qualities above were described as masculine qualities, although not sexist, I feel this statement nonetheless implies that gentleness, subservience, are feminine qualities, I have to say, till I thought about it quite hard, I would have agreed with this, however, whilst discussing it with my wife yesterday, she laughed and replied, 'elephants and spiders, look it up', so I did, The leader in every herd of elephants is actually the female, we all know about the black widow, the queen bee, the praying mantis (gulp), it seems the animal kingdom is hugely unaware of masculine qualities, in fact, a lot of the females are a lot bigger than the males (a bit like Florida), so why in human society, do we name certain qualities masculine and certain others feminine, surely a strong woman, is just that, a strong woman, rather than a woman with masculine qualities, I mean, a strong woman sounds a bit like the magnificent picture of Mai Bhago by dear Bhagat Singhji, rather than say one of my Aunties who has been blessed with the features of Dolph Lungdren.
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I consider both my wife and mother hugely strong women, although my mother is extremely emotional, which is also where I get that from, my wife, being a nurse, is quite hard, whereas I am as soft as the softest toilet tissue!, I cry at films, I love chocolate, I hate sport, I like a good cuddle and a hug, interestingly, when my wife is in one of her hard moods, and I am in one of my soft moods, I did used to feel a slight uneasiness about the shift, although, as time has gone on, I have realised we are just two people, friends, lovers, helping each other through life, no one has a monopoly on being strong, or in control, we just tend to leave whoever is in a position to behave in that manner, to get on with it

Given the way the animal kingdom works, is it only a matter of time before men realise women are not only their complete equal, but possibly stronger, more dominant and certainly more protective than they are

kds1980 · #2 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 16:22 PM

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In another post, the qualities above were described as masculine qualities, although not sexist, I feel this statement nonetheless implies that gentleness, subservience, are feminine qualities, I have to say, till I thought about it quite hard, I would have agreed with this, however, whilst discussing it with my wife yesterday, she laughed and replied, 'elephants and spiders, look it up', so I did, The leader in every herd of elephants is actually the female, we all know about the black widow, the queen bee, the praying mantis (gulp), it seems the animal kingdom is hugely unaware of masculine qualities, in fact, a lot of the females are a lot bigger than the males (a bit like Florida), so why in human society, do we name certain qualities masculine and certain others feminine, surely a strong woman, is just that, a strong woman, rather than a woman with masculine qualities, I mean, a strong woman sounds a bit like the magnificent picture of Mai Bhago by dear Bhagat Singhji, rather than say one of my Aunties who has been blessed with the features of Dolph Lungdren

Harry ji

Animal kingdom is not a very good example of proving what qualities Should male posses or what qualities should females.We belong to species of mammals and in most of mammals Males are bigger and stronger than females.A males life revolve around increasing their strength fighting with other males and finding a mate while females lives revolve around giving birth and caring for their young one's.In most of mammals species males hardly take part in caring and bringing up young one's.Even among Elephants Males are much bigger,stronger
and live alone as no predator dare to attack a lone full grown bull elephant on the other hand for the protection of young one's female live in herds and frequently come under attack from Lions and sometimes Tigers.In most of mammals Beta males Hardly get any chance to mate as stronger genes have to pass to younger generation While almost all females mate and give birth as survival of species depend upon How effectively female raise their young one's

harry haller · #3 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 16:33 PM

Kdsji
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informative, thank you, however the basic question is, who says what qualities are masculine or feminine, given that we are closer than ever to what I would say is sexual equality, although we still have a bit to go before we can truly say that the sexes are equal, why is wanting to clean, cook, and rear children seen as a feminine trait, and leading, bringing home the bacon, etc seen as masculine

kds1980 · #4 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 17:09 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Kdsji

informative, thank you, however the basic question is, who says what qualities are masculine or feminine, given that we are closer than ever to what I would say is sexual equality, although we still have a bit to go before we can truly say that the sexes are equal, why is wanting to clean, cook, and rear children seen as a feminine trait, and leading, bringing home the bacon, etc seen as masculine

If you ask then I say because this is most successful model of civilization adopted by Humans.If you leave Elite developed world which is not more than 10% of total population you will see a strong earning ,caring husband is always most demanded.In many area's of world men still go to hostile condition put their lives on risk to bring bread as extra bit of physical strength give them edge

harry haller · #5 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 17:45 PM

Kdsji

The last time I was in India, I noted that women were working on building sites every bit as hard as men, I think we can agree that in this present day, women and men are pretty equally matched, even physically, I accept my wife is better in some situations than I am, she accepts I am better in others, the danger, to my mind, starts when you have males who are convinced that they are better suited to be in charge, married to very capable females who then end up being told what to do by people who sometimes have no clue at all, lionesses being led by donkeys, if you will.
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Also this is not an Indian or Sikh problem, I see such attitudes right here in the west, but as Sikhism is quite an enlightened religion, that makes no distinction between the sexes, it would be nice to see more equal treatment of men and women, and less consideration for the fragile egos of fools.

kds1980 · #6 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 19:37 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Kdsji

The last time I was in India, I noted that women were working on building sites every bit as hard as men, I think we can agree that in this present day, women and men are pretty equally matched, even physically, I accept my wife is better in some situations than I am, she accepts I am better in others, the danger, to my mind, starts when you have males who are convinced that they are better suited to be in charge, married to very capable females who then end up being told what to do by people who sometimes have no clue at all, lionesses being led by donkeys, if you will.

Also this is not an Indian or Sikh problem, I see such attitudes right here in the west, but as Sikhism is quite an enlightened religion, that makes no distinction between the sexes, it would be nice to see more equal treatment of men and women, and less consideration for the fragile egos of fools.

Yes women do work on Building sites, in farms or anywhere but only if they accept lesser wage that is why there is always large scale migration of men from villages compared to women.Physically men are always preferred for work which require strength.The labour market is like men highest wage women at No.2 and Children the cheapest workers ,that is why you will also find so many children working as hard as any adult even when their height
don't even reach your waist.

And I am really sorry Physical difference are their if there is not then why Men and women don't play unisex sports?

Kanwaljit Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 22:20 PM

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if there is not then why Men and women don't play unisex sports?

Women don't have problems, they are ready to give a fight. Remember there are mixed doubles in tennis too!

kds1980 · #8 (**permalink**) 26-Oct-2011, 23:17 PM

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Women don't have problems, they are ready to give a fight. Remember there are mixed doubles in tennis too!

Are you serious kanwajit? do you really follow sport? Mixed doubles does not mean Men vs women it means One woman and one man team.BTW just check the records of women and men players and read the difference.The fastest bowl thrown by Man in Cricket is 161 kmph while Fastest thrown by woman is 120 kmph.similarly 100 metre record held by man is 9.59 second and 10.59 by woman I can go on and on.Forget about competing majority of women Tennis players are not even ready to play 5 setters .When Justin henin was asked that about 5 setters she said men are stronger we can't play 5 sets,Ivanovic straight forward declined that 3 setters are best for women.

In 60s and 70s gender test was introduced for women in Olympics because there were reports that Transgenders were sent by communist countries in disguise of women so it is necessary to check whether the player who win is actually a woman

harry haller · #9 (**permalink**) 27-Oct-2011, 14:18 PM

kdsji

I think we can concede that men are physically stronger than women, so let us move on to dominance, decisiveness, protectiveness and mental strength

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I have to confess that it breaks my heart when I see married couples, sikh or not, where the wife should be the natural leader, but ego, tradition and culture means she is playing second fiddle to a moron.