Correct Pronunciation of Waheguru

Khalistani_lion · #37 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2012, 15:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spnadmin

My understanding is the sihari is pronounced

http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,2634,2634

www.Gursevak.com for correct pronunciation.

prakash.s.bagga · #38 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2012, 17:18 PM

I would agree with SPNADMIN ji for takng into consideration of the Vowels related to Sihai and Aukad Matra with Gurbanee words.
In fact we enter into gross error by avoiding the pronunciation of words with these matras.We infact have eliminated the consideration of these matras altogether.
The application of these matras is very crucial in getting overall understanding of Gurbanee.
I dont understand who and when the idea of avoiding the pronunciation of these two matras was introduced and accepted.Even ourmost learned scholars have accepted the norms of avoiding the pronunciation of words with sihai and Aukad matras.
There is need to relook into the significance of matras of Aukad and Sihari in directing the meanings to the Gurbanee words.Once we can do this we are likel;y to get more clear understanding of meanings of Gurbanee and there will be very little deviation in overall interpretation of Gurbanee.
I have always been mentioning and writing the words with these matras although there has always been great resistance in considering this.
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I think now is a time we should come clear in understanding the role of these matras.
Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #39 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2012, 17:42 PM

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Originally Posted by onspjo

First of all, Guru Gobind Singh Sahibji de gurpurab di bahut bahut wadhai howe.

Secondly, Please help me on this:
What is the correct pronunciation of the word: Waheguru.

In Gurmukhi, there is sihari(i) to the letter h in the word waheguru. Do we pronounce it as WAAH-E-GURU or WAAH-GURU without the long A sound.

For example: In the word AAD, there is sihari to the letter d, but we don't pronounce it as AAD-E. Similarly, In Sat Shri Akal, There is Sihari to the letter t, and we say it SAT not SAT-E.

My thinking is that there is a pause and stress to the letter where there is Sihari to the letter and not the E(long a) sound.

Thanks.

You can look at this Quote also
ਸੇਵਕ ਕੈ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਭੁ ਸਦਕਾ ॥ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਕਹਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਊ ਤੂ ਕਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਸਿਰੇ ਤੈ ਅਗਨਤ ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਮੋਹੁ ਭਯਾ ਮਨ ਮਦ ਕਾ ॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1403

There is no Sihari or Aukad with the word WAH................................

Although your point of Pause or stress is equally valid for the matra of Sihari but besides this the application of Sihari also changes the meaning of the respective word.This is equally important .

Well ,it should be obvious that pronunciation of the word WAH(i) as vowel of E is grammatically incorrect.
Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #40 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2012, 22:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Ambarsariah Ji,
you wrote...>>>>>>>>>
By the way, Professor Sahib Singh ji in Gurbani Darpan translate ਵਾਿਹਗੁਰੂ, ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ as"Hay Guru" or english "Hello Guru" as an address. This contrasts with "wah - Hay meaning you are wonderful". Quite significant distinction as one may notice that the repetition of "hay Guru" versus "wah-hay-guru" is quiet different.>>>>>>>>>>>

Exactly thats WHY many question how this word could be "Name" of the Creator. This word is used SOLELY by the Bhatts and in Bani written specifically addressed to the Five Gurus....but even more specifically to Guru Ramdass Ji and Guru Arjun ji as Partakh Har..the GURU they can see in front of their eyes. All these Bhatts are saying is they are "exclaiming..WAH Guru..Wonderful GURU as praise for the GURU they can see before them.

1. I REJECT this for two reasons. First It DOESNT MATTER who used the Word "Waheguru"....whether its one / or all the Sikh GURUS..or anyone else...or when ?? Suffice it that it NOW EXISTS in the GURU.( Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji)..and is used for the GURU and in Gurmatt Guru, satgur and Waheguru, Creator Akal Purakh are ONE and the same. Our GURU is SHABAD..and Akal Purakh is Shabad. To try and separate/divide the various contributors of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on whatever grounds is blasphemy and ought to be condemned outright as an attempt to weaken sikhs and cause our downfall. This must be resisted at all costs.No one must dare to attack the Bhagat Banis, Bhatt swaiyahs, farid Jis bani etc etc as any lesser than Gurbani penned by the Sikh gurus...for us its the COLLECTIVE COMPOSITION in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that is the GURU. Period. We BOW to the Complete GURU.

2. The Guru Khlasa Panth has reached a concesnus that this is the Name of The Creator for Sikhs..and this is the word we are asked to recite at time of Khandey batte dee Pahul. The HUKM of the Panj is supreme.

This is removed from the pronounciation topic..but i thought to just pause on it as it may come up..sooner or later...better to be prepared just in case. Apologies for the digression.animatedkhanda1

What GuRu Gobind Singh Ji gave to Khalsa Panth to recite at the time of Khande Ki Pahul that is SABADu or ,NAME(NAAu) or NAAMu. It is very important to understand this.
As per my understanding Our GuRu Gobind Singh ji Gave SABADu
This SABADu is of GuR (what we should know as CREATOR)
Prakash.S.Bagga

jonj · #41 (**permalink**) 27-Apr-2012, 03:01 AM

this also puzzles me as i never knew how to correctly pronounce this as well and it bothers me because i do not know if i am propagating the word in a correct manner and that if i am teaching the kid the right way to pronounce this. i was to seek help to the older ones i know but then i cam across this post and this has become useful for me.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #42 (**permalink**) 27-Apr-2012, 04:36 AM

Joni..it doesnt matter...like if you see me across the street and shout...
Hey Gyani....!!!!...or...Hi gyani...Oi Gyani....Hi/Hey/oi are just ATTENTION GETTERS..and the main thing is that I "hear" you and cross the road...

WAH.......is the Hey/the Hi..the Oi....But the Main Thing is the PRAISE..the CALL..to the GURU..the GURU..the Satgur..The CREATOR....and thats whats all about...

Just as HEY-GYANI or OIGYANI is NOT my "Name"..WAH-GURU/WAHEGURU" is Not His Name...His Naam/name is HIS Attributes..His GUR-BANI...which describes those very attributes..which then lead us all to EXCLAIM...WAH WAH WAH WAH>>GURU..GUR...whatever.... Simply shouting/muttering Waheyguru etc or shouting HeyGyani etc is NOT what we want to keep on doing..we all should WANT to BECOME HIM..BECOME BANI..Via His GURBANI..His SHABAD..BY PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION of HIS ATTRIBUTES described form Page One of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..the Mool mantar....
Guru Nanak ji brought the SHABD..Guru Gobind Singh ji left us the Shabad..and its the Shabad thats the ESSENCE...GUR...the WAY..and the END..

prakash.s.bagga · #43 (**permalink**) 27-Apr-2012, 14:43 PM

In Gurbanee one should realise how the type of matra used in any WORD conveys different meanings of the same word.Therefore there is great significance of correct pronunciation of particular words in Gurbanee.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054
One can see how significant is the correct use of letters /words in sending the messages thru e -mail,even an ommission of a dot can result in failure of the messages.
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Prakash.s.Bagga

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #44 (**permalink**) 27-Apr-2012, 15:36 PM

The "problem" being created is in..PRONOUNCIATION.....whereby certain diehards insist on "PRONOUNCING" ALL lagan matras...and strangely KEEP QUIET on the same lagan matras elsewhere....they insist its sah(aunkad) as sahOOOOOOOOOOOO, RahOOOOOOOOO PatshahOOOOOOOOOOOOO....But when the very same aunkadd appears elsewhere they keep it silent..anomaly.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34054

Yes a Missing . in Email cna render the address meaningless and no dleivery..BUT then NO ONE Insists the DOT must be "Pronounced"...its there as a MARKER only...not for saying it ALOUD....

MANY lagan matras are MARKERS ONLY..not for pronounciation aloud.

prakash.s.bagga · #45 (**permalink**) 27-Apr-2012, 16:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

The "problem" being created is in..PRONOUNCIATION.....whereby certain diehards insist on "PRONOUNCING" ALL lagan matras...and strangely KEEP QUIET on the same lagan matras elsewhere....they insist its sah(aunkad) as sahOOOOOOOOOOOO, RahOOOOOOOOO PatshahOOOOOOOOOOOOO....But when the very same aunkadd appears elsewhere they keep it silent..anomaly.

Yes a Missing . in Email cna render the address meaningless and no dleivery..BUT then NO ONE Insists the DOT must be "Pronounced"...its there as a MARKER only...not for saying it ALOUD....

MANY lagan matras are MARKERS ONLY..not for pronounciation aloud.

GIYANi JARNAIL SINGH Jeo,
I partially agree to the contents of the message because if we look at a message from Gurbanee as
"GAWIAE SUNIYE MUNi RAHIYE BHAu.....Japji Sahib

This reveals the significance of Pronunciation too.
Suppose I am listening to Gurbanee how can I get the true feeling (Bhau)
of the message if pronunciation is not correct .In Gurbanee the pronunciation as per matra is changing the direction of the meaning.This
should be important to understand
Pronunciation may not be that vital in normal colloqil communication.
You can see we can find even the words of Gurbanee being written without matras too like in english.
With regards
Prakash.s.Bagga