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Is WAHEGURUJI nameless? http://srec.gurmat.info/srecarticles...ahib/jaap.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/3370-nameless.html
Jaap sahib which is from Dasam Granth appears to claim such a thing. Please explain this philosophical idea. But to be honest as per Sikh belief it would be quite logical for Waheguruji to be nameless.
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Re: Nameless?

Dear John,
Jaap sahib says - None has the ability to list down the attributes of the Supreme power. The different names contained in Jaap Sahib are the karma-names of His. Guru sahib seeks His kirpa so that such names may be listed.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3370
Jaap Sahib produces Bir-ras in the reader. Reading for just a few days may be a good indicator to feel what I am saying.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3370
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Well, I was told by someone that God is essentially nameless, in a small sense WAHEGURU is a name but in a bigger since it is a praise.

Wahe = Wow
Gu = Dark
Ru = Light
Guru = Enlightener [from darkness to light]

Waheguru = Wow enlightener!

But then I asked, isn't this name praising the Guru not God? And was then explained that God is all-knowing, and Sikhism focusses on this aspect of God, so in a sense God itself is a Guru, and Shri Guru Granth Sahib has a bucket of this ocean of knowledge, so it is beinging both together and saying "Wow, enlightener, look at your creation!" [im amazement]. The enlightener is God [i.e. God decides who is enlightened and who isn't, Guruji helps our chances increase of becoming enlightened].
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Well if we start talking about He-who-must-not-be-named, I might be wondering if I was reading a Harry Potter book, instead of Gurbani
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.....Huh???
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Caramel don't worry Amerikaur was make a reference to the Harry Potter Book series... (good Joke)
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Thanks, Unstoppable Singh ji!

CaramelChocolate, my (imperfect) interpretation of the Shabad is that God has not just one name, but many names. And there are many ways of describing Him (God, Waheguru, the Almighty...) However - there is still just One of Him, and no matter how glorious we describe him, there is nothing in our mortal communication that can truly match the all of what he is.
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Is WAHEGURUJI nameless? http://srec.gurmat.info/srecarticle...sahib/jaap.html
Jaap sahib which is from Dasam Granth appears to claim such a thing. Please explain this philosophical idea. But to be honest as per Sikh belief it would be quite logical for Waheguruji to be nameless.
As I understand Sikhi teaches us that actually he( AKAL Purakh) is the only who exist and nothing else , so every thin g you can see and you think of is his expression so philosophically yo can say that either he is nameless or the names are his only I mean all the vocabulary will fall short even to describe his name

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there is nothing in our mortal communication that can truly match the all of what he is.
Then how can he have a name? When you give a name it implies that you have knowledge of the thing. I still say as per Sikhism it would be more logical for God to be nameless. The whole purpose of a name is A. to praise because Waheguru means WOW ENLIGHTENER and B. to talk about him in conversation i.e. "I am worshipping God."
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