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We can look for Divine Mother as well as Divine Father in Gurbanee quote as
ਪਉੜੀ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਮਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਪਿਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲਕ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਸਾਰ ਕਰੇ ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਬਾਲਕ ॥ ਸਹਜੇ ਸਹਜਿ ਖਿਲਾਇਦਾ ਨਹੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਆਲਕ ॥ ਅਉਗਣੁ ਕੋ ਨ ਚਿਤਾਰਦਾ ਗਲ ਸੇਤੀ ਲਾਇਕ ॥ ਮੁਹਿ ਮੰਗਾਂ ਸੋਈ ਦੇਵਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਤਾ ਸੁਖਦਾਇਕ ॥ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਰਾਸਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਨੁ ਸਉਪਿਓਨੁ ਇਸੁ ਸਉਦੇ ਲਾਇਕ ॥ ਸਾਝੀ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਲਿ ਬਹਾਲਿਆ ਸਰਬ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਇਕ ॥ ਮੈ ਨਾਲਹੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਵਿਛੁੜੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਤਾ ਸਭਨਾ ਗਲਾ ਲਾਇਕ ॥੨੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1101}Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/33226-concepts-of-the-divine-mother-sikhism.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226 Prakash.S.Bagga Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh! |
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From Gurbanee we also learn that Divine Mother and Divine Father both are aleays with us.In Gurbanee the reference for Mother is "MAT(i)" and the reference for Father is Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226
"SANTOKH(u)".
This is very important message in context of Mother and Father refered in Gurbanee.
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"...Become a fertile ground for the divine birth. Cherish this deep silence within, nourish it frequently...May God help us to prepare a dwelling place for this noble birth [of the Divine in us], so that we may all attain spiritual motherhood..." - Johannes Tauler (c.1300-1361), Catholic mystic Perhaps it is we ourselves who are to become Mothers, giving birth to the Divine Spark of the Godhead within ourselves through opening our hearts up to the Will of God and burning away the dross of self-will, rather than searching for Motherhood in God? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226 Just a thought - kind of turns it on its head icecreamkaur | | The following member appreciates Archived_member15 Ji for the above message. | |
06-May-2012, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Vouthon  "...Become a fertile ground for the divine birth. Cherish this deep silence within, nourish it frequently...May God help us to prepare a dwelling place for this noble birth [of the Divine in us], so that we may all attain spiritual motherhood..."
- Johannes Tauler (c.1300-1361), Catholic mystic
Perhaps it is we ourselves who are to become Mothers, giving birth to the Divine Spark of the Godhead within ourselves through opening our hearts up to the Will of God and burning away the dross of self-will, rather than searching for Motherhood in God?
Just a thought - kind of turns it on its head icecreamkaur | Saints are void of egotism. Instead they are humble in their expressions as well.
In Gauri Sukhmani M.5 Page 266 Line 7 |
ਸਗਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਮਹਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ॥
सगल पुरख महि पुरखु प्रधानु ॥
Sagal purakẖ mėh purakẖ parḏẖān.
Among all persons, the supreme person is the one
| ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਿਟੈ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥
साधसंगि जा का मिटै अभिमानु ॥
Sāḏẖsang jā kā mitai abẖimān.
who gives up his egotistical pride in the Company of the Holy.
| ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਜੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਨੀਚਾ ॥
आपस कउ जो जाणै नीचा ॥
Āpas ka▫o jo jāṇai nīcẖā.
One who sees himself as lowly,
| ਸੋਊ ਗਨੀਐ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ॥
सोऊ गनीऐ सभ ते ऊचा ॥
So▫ū ganī▫ai sabẖ ṯe ūcẖā.
shall be accounted as the highest of all.
| ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਗਲ ਕੀ ਰੀਨਾ ॥
जा का मनु होइ सगल की रीना ॥
Jā kā man ho▫e sagal kī rīnā.
One whose mind is the dust of all,
| ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਨਿ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਚੀਨਾ ॥
हरि हरि नामु तिनि घटि घटि चीना ॥
Har har nām ṯin gẖat gẖat cẖīnā.
recognizes the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, in each and every heart.
| ਮਨ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਤੇ ਬੁਰਾ ਮਿਟਾਨਾ ॥
मन अपुने ते बुरा मिटाना ॥
Man apune ṯe burā mitānā.
One who eradicates cruelty from within his own mind,
| ਪੇਖੈ ਸਗਲ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਾਜਨਾ ॥
पेखै सगल स्रिसटि साजना ॥
Pekẖai sagal sarisat sājnā.
looks upon all the world as his friend.
| ਸੂਖ ਦੂਖ ਜਨ ਸਮ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟੇਤਾ ॥
सूख दूख जन सम द्रिसटेता ॥
Sūkẖ ḏūkẖ jan sam ḏaristeṯā.
One who looks upon pleasure and pain as one and the same,
| ਨਾਨਕ ਪਾਪ ਪੁੰਨ ਨਹੀ ਲੇਪਾ ॥੬॥
नानक पाप पुंन नही लेपा ॥६॥
Nānak pāp punn nahī lepā. ||6||
O Nanak, is not affected by sin or virtue. ||6||
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There are two very special properties of THe Creator if any one is gifted then there can be no harm in any circumstances good/bad..favourable/unfavourable.
These two properties are the Quality of being NIRBHAu and Quality of being NIRVAIRu
Only rares and graced can acquire these qualities.No one can really beat a person with such qualities. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226
Gurbanee i gives great opprtunity to Sikhs for acquisition of Such qualities.
Such a person is obviously NEUTRAL and free from Duality of thoughts.
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That is a stunning passage from the Granth, Astro brother, thank you very much.
What a wonderful reflection on humility. In Christianity it is said to be the king of the virtues. "...Some people are proud by nature, and they could never be brought low in humility to such a degree or so covertly. And humility is the true beginning of all virtue...Without a doubt it happens that, when the good and loyal servant is led into the joy of his Lord, he becomes drunk from the limitless overabundance of God's house. What happens to a drunken man happens to him, though it cannot really be described, that he so forgets his self that he is not at all his self and consequently has got rid of his self completely and lost himself entirely in God, becoming one spirit in all ways with him, just as a small drop of water does which has been dropped into a large amount of wine. Just as the drop of water loses itself, drawing the taste and colour of the wine to and into itself, so it happens that those who are in full possession of blessedness lose all human desires in an inexpressible manner, and they ebb away from themselves and are immersed completely in the Divine Will. Otherwise, if something of the individual were to remain of which he or she were not completely emptied, scripture could not be true in stating that God shall become all things in all things. Certainly one's being remains, but in a different form, in a different resplendence, and in a different power. This is all the result of total detachment from self..." - Blessed Henry Suso (c. 1300 - 1366), Catholic mystic Quote:
Originally Posted by Astroboy Saints are void of egotism. Instead they are humble in their expressions as well.
In Gauri Sukhmani M.5 Page 266 Line 7 |
ਸਗਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਮਹਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੁ ॥
सगल पुरख महि पुरखु प्रधानु ॥
Sagal purakẖ mėh purakẖ parḏẖān.
Among all persons, the supreme person is the one
| ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਿਟੈ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥
साधसंगि जा का मिटै अभिमानु ॥
Sāḏẖsang jā kā mitai abẖimān.
who gives up his egotistical pride in the Company of the Holy.
| ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਜੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਨੀਚਾ ॥
आपस कउ जो जाणै नीचा ॥
Āpas ka▫o jo jāṇai nīcẖā.
One who sees himself as lowly,
| ਸੋਊ ਗਨੀਐ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ॥
सोऊ गनीऐ सभ ते ऊचा ॥
So▫ū ganī▫ai sabẖ ṯe ūcẖā.
shall be accounted as the highest of all.
| ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਗਲ ਕੀ ਰੀਨਾ ॥
जा का मनु होइ सगल की रीना ॥
Jā kā man ho▫e sagal kī rīnā.
One whose mind is the dust of all,
| ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਨਿ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਚੀਨਾ ॥
हरि हरि नामु तिनि घटि घटि चीना ॥
Har har nām ṯin gẖat gẖat cẖīnā.
recognizes the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, in each and every heart.
| ਮਨ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਤੇ ਬੁਰਾ ਮਿਟਾਨਾ ॥
मन अपुने ते बुरा मिटाना ॥
Man apune ṯe burā mitānā.
One who eradicates cruelty from within his own mind,
| ਪੇਖੈ ਸਗਲ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਾਜਨਾ ॥
पेखै सगल स्रिसटि साजना ॥
Pekẖai sagal sarisat sājnā.
looks upon all the world as his friend.
| ਸੂਖ ਦੂਖ ਜਨ ਸਮ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟੇਤਾ ॥
सूख दूख जन सम द्रिसटेता ॥
Sūkẖ ḏūkẖ jan sam ḏaristeṯā.
One who looks upon pleasure and pain as one and the same,
| ਨਾਨਕ ਪਾਪ ਪੁੰਨ ਨਹੀ ਲੇਪਾ ॥੬॥
नानक पाप पुंन नही लेपा ॥६॥
Nānak pāp punn nahī lepā. ||6||
O Nanak, is not affected by sin or virtue. ||6||
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"...I once had a dream. I dreamt that I, even though a man, was pregnant, pregnant and full with Nothingness like a woman is with child. And that out of this Nothingness, God was born...The being and the nature of God are mine; Jesus enters the castle of the soul; the spark in the soul is beyond time and space; the soul’s light is uncreated and cannot be created, it takes possession of God with no mediation; the core of the soul and the core of God are one...We are all meant to be mothers of God. What good is it to me if this eternal birth of the divine Son takes place unceasingly, but does not take place within myself? And, what good is it to me if Mary is full of grace if I am not also full of grace? What good is it to me for the Creator to give birth to his Son if I do not also give birth to him in my time and my culture? This, then, is the fullness of time: When the Son of Man is born in us..."
- Meister Eckhart (1260-1328), Catholic mystic and Dominican priest
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"...The body is like Mary. Each of us has a Jesus inside, but so long as no pain appears, our Jesus is not born. If pain never comes, our Jesus goes back to his place of origin on the same secret path he had come, and we remain behind, deprived and without a share of him..." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226 - Jalaluddin Rumi (1207 – 1273), Islamic Sufi mystic Rumi and Eckhart, these two great contemporary mystics of the Christian West and the Islamic East, who never met - divided as they were by country, nationality, geography, religion, language and culture - both came to realize through their spiritual experiences the same salient truth: We all must become spiritual mothers, we all must become Mary the Mother of Jesus, giving birth to a Jesus within ourselves, in the spark of our soul, and this is born only through the pain of sacrificing our own will and joining ourselves to the Will of God - just as Jesus did, as he gave up his life on the cross. What does it matter that Jesus was born in a stable 2,000 years ago, if he is not born in you today, in the here and now? We all have inside of us a Jesus, or a Buddha or a Guru Nanak or a Krishna. The question is: Will you give birth to him within yourself, or not?
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From a quote we can learn that the Universe is within our body as
ਪੀਪਾ ॥ ਕਾਯਉ ਦੇਵਾ ਕਾਇਅਉ ਦੇਵਲ ਕਾਇਅਉ ਜੰਗਮ ਜਾਤੀ ॥ ਕਾਇਅਉ ਧੂਪ ਦੀਪ ਨਈਬੇਦਾ ਕਾਇਅਉ ਪੂਜਉ ਪਾਤੀ ॥੧॥ ਕਾਇਆ ਬਹੁ ਖੰਡ ਖੋਜਤੇ ਨਵ ਨਿਧਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ ਨਾ ਕਛੁ ਆਇਬੋ ਨਾ ਕਛੁ ਜਾਇਬੋ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਦੁਹਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ ਪੀਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਪਰਮ ਤਤੁ ਹੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਇ ਲਖਾਵੈ ॥੨॥੩॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 695}Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33226 So we are always directed to search within ourselves. Prakash.S.Bagga | | The following member appreciates prakash.s.bagga Ji for the above message. | | 
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