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| | | | | Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Is there really a state one can achieve called higher consciousness or could it just be brainwork? Is it possible that a person on the way to higher consciousness is actually psyching out the brain to believe in something? How do you differentiate between vision and hallucination? *
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23-Sep-2010, 16:21 PM
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Even if there is not anything called higher conciousness , I may give you my example . I am married for last 18 years never had pre marital or extra marital affair . I went to Thailand twice ( pattaya ) never saw any shows or even any nude body in real . I have never drunk even a sip of beer , tobbacco or anything remotely intoxicating all my life . All due to the strength of my BELIEFS even if that is no higher conciousness , it has kept me grounded during all those wavering moments & I am always thankful to my Guru ( Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ) for that . | | The following members appreciate dalbirk Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Dear Khalsa Ji,
Through this post, I share with you, my understanding of what ‘Higher Consciousness is? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/32354-higher-consciousness-or-brainwork.html
(i) Gurbani mentions about Dasham Dwar, it is said to be within human head – skull. We all know that it is the Brain there. In other words the Dashan Dwar, as I understand, is located in our brain. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354
(ii) In my posts I have been using the term ‘deeper layers of the brain’ to refer to the unspecified part of the brain, which in literature is sometimes called sub-conscious. It is hardware. In the text that follows I will use this term subconscious repeatedly for the deeper layers.
(iii) Science knows that all the inputs that the brain receives are recorded by it. The conscious part of the brain is selective, and thus remembers only a part of it; it is not able to recall all from the past memories.
(iv) It is also known to science that when certain point/areas of the brain are simulated by special probes the person is able to express very vividly what it had experience long back in time, in great details. The person just does not remember, but it relives and experiences the happenings again, in full, including colours, fragrance, sound, feelings etc. This is to say that every thing is recorded in the brain in subconscious part which the conscious part of the brain is not able to access fully on its own.
(v) As I understand, this subconscious also contains all the information as to how we had lived our past lives. It is this subconscious which is responsible to give us certain natural pattern of behaviour even in at very early part of life. It is my very personal understanding that this part of the brain contains all about our mission for this earthly life and realisation of ‘The Sat’ whom we knew before being born in this world.
(vi) The gate or the link or the Dwar, between this part of the brain i.e. what I have been referring to as subconscious and conscious is deliberately gagged. (I will not dwell on why it is so in this post) before we are born.
(vii) The gag becomes tighter and tighter as the ego or the ‘I-ness’ or the Ahamkara becomes stronger and stronger. Ahamkara makes the person to live in accordance with the dictates of its conscious part of brain, which, in most of us is controlled by our worldly desires and vices, of course to varying degrees. It does not allow the 'inner voice' of the subconscious i.e. our inner self (‘The Sat’) - to reach the conscious part of the brain, which is needed to keep us on the correct path.
(viii) As I understand, it for this reason Guru Sahib has repeatedly asked us to dissolve our ego, i.e. Ahamkara (I-ness). Science now knows that when the person goes into deep meditation, the portion of the brain, which gives the person as sense of separateness from the rest i.e. a specific identity (I-ness or Ahamkara), goes to sleep. Thus the person, having lost its identity, does not distinguish its self from the rest and merges with the totality, which is nothing but ‘The Sat’. This as I understand is a state of ‘Samadhi’.
(ix) When the person dissolves its Ahamkara (I-ness) and its being becomes so, then even in the normal conscious state there is nothing to put a gag between the deeper layers of the brain i.e. subconscious part of the brain and its complimentary conscious part of the brain. The two parts then work in tandem and one becomes fully aware. This is, as I understand, the higher state of consciousness, which is the subject of discussion under this thread.
(x) This happening, as I understand, is referred to as opening of the ‘Dasham Dwar’ – a precursor to achieving ‘Higher Consciousness’. The purified functioning brain is an instrument to achieve this end
With love and respect for all.
Amarpal Singh
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23-Sep-2010, 23:25 PM
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Respected Amarpal veerji,
Today I understand why I ahankar should be dissolved and how you can see God/goodness/love in every being and everything around you and be one with it. You hear about it, try it but as long as 'I' stays, you can't truly feel that. I need to contemplate about the brain and conscious/subconscious association and let it sink in before I have any further questions on it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354
Very beautifully explained. Please keep the good work going.
May be that is the reason why guruji says that kundalini should not be forced open but will happen naturally when your are prepared/capable and rid of all vices. | 
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork I am sure the feelings described in Anand Sahib are the higher consciousness | | The following members appreciate findingmyway Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Some questions:
1.What is the need of " Higher consciousness"? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354
2.What is the measuring stick for this " Higher consciousness"?
3.How high is high enough?
4.What is the highest point?
5. What does one get at the highest point?
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Should one be just human conscious?
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Some questions:
1.What is the need of " Higher consciousness"? There is no need for Higher consciousness; it is the natural state. We have moved away from that state/being over the ages/lives.
We all are working towards achieving something. Once that is obtained, another need arises. When that is achieved, we want more, and yet more. What one is working towards is infinite. There is only one infinite energy. So directly or indirectly, everybody is working towards higher consciousness. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354
2.What is the measuring stick for this " Higher consciousness"?
3.How high is high enough?
4.What is the highest point? Enlightenment ??
5. What does one get at the highest point?
OR
Should one be just human conscious? That would be up to you(the free will). Knowing yourself would be human consciousness(otherwise we are just animals). | | The following member appreciates onspjo Ji for the above message. | | 
24-Sep-2010, 09:51 AM
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork [quote=onspjo;133843]Some questions:
onspjo ji,
Guru Fateh.
Welcome to the forum.
My question: 1.What is the need of " Higher consciousness"?
Your response: Quote: |
There is no need for Higher consciousness; it is the natural state. We have moved away from that state/being over the ages/lives.
| Pardon my ignorance but I did not understand what you are trying to say. If there is no need for Higher consciousness, then what is a natural state? If it is a natural state then there is a need. Nothing happens naturally without the need. But what does the above have to do with " Higher consciousness"? Quote: |
We all are working towards achieving something. Once that is obtained, another need arises.When that is achieved, we want more, and yet more.
| Could you be more specific in your answer? What is this something you are talking about? Quote: |
What one is working towards is infinite. There is only one infinite energy.
| If infinite is achieved then it ceases to be infinite but becomes finite. Your responses are confusing and they do not answer anything I have asked. Quote: |
So directly or indirectly, everybody is working towards higher consciousness.
| Once again no answer. Just a statement which contradicts your first response.
My questions: 2.What is the measuring stick for this " Higher consciousness"?
3.How high is high enough?
5. What does one get at the highest point?
No response from you about the above.
My question: OR
Should one be just human conscious?
Your response: Quote: |
That would be up to you(the free will). Knowing yourself would be human consciousness(otherwise we are just animals).
| Please define freewill for me? Are you talking about freewill from the biblical slant?
And what do you mean by,"otherwise we are just animals"? Aren't we?
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| | | | | re: Higher Consciousness or Brainwork Dear Khalsa Ji, I respond to the question raised based on what little I understand and know. 1. What is the need of “Higher consciousness" border="0" alt="" /> Ans: It is a mile stone in one's journey to divinity; to become one with the creation; to become Jeewan Mukta. It is for an individual to decide if it wants to move in that direction; this free will 'The Sat' has given to each one of us. Guru Sahib has said that human birth is a chance to meet 'The Sat'. Thus the need of higher consciousness depends on what the individual considers as its mission for this earthly life. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354 2. What is the measuring stick for this " Higher consciousness"? 3. How high is high enough? Ans: as I understand, attaining higher consciousness is a discrete event; it is not a gradual process; it is a yes, no type of entity. Yardstick exists to measure analog parameter like, temperature, time, distance etc. Discrete events are there or not there. There is no yard stick to measure Higher Consciousness. This event happened in the life of Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, when he said there is 'No hindu, no musalman'. It happened for Gautam the Buddha, when he was sitting under the tree in Bauddh Gaya. Gaining Higher Conscious is an event. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32354 5. What does one get at the highest point? Ans: One realises its true nature and move to proximity of its own source - 'The Sat'. Free will: It is your independence to act the way you want; 'The Sat' will not interfere with your exercise of 'The Free Will'. We can even take our own life, 'The Sat' does not stop us. With this I close this post With love and respect for all. Amarpal Singh Punjab, India | | The following members appreciate Amarpal Ji for the above message. | | 
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