Horoscopes - Janam Kundli

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 04-May-2005, 23:47 PM

Excellent article by Luthra Sumeet. Thank You. Stay in Chardikalla
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Jarnail Singh
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Amerikaur · #11 (**permalink**) 06-May-2005, 19:39 PM

Perhaps some of the confusion about "an auspicious time" in Gurbani is because "auspicious" has two definitions.

The primary definition is "of favorable circumstances".

But in the vernacular, "auspicious" is most commonly used by it's secondary definition: "lucky"
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Can Sikhs believe in luck?

My guess is...no. Sikhs can only believe in Waheguru. Believing in luck means believing in something OTHER than Waheguru for one's fortune.

But certainly Sikhs can recognize when a situation is favorable. And Gurbani's constant reminder to remember God reminds us to not get lost in the "I worked for it, I earned it, I found it..." and remember that it is Waheguru within us...within the world...that helps the circumstances be favorable.

That is just my thoughts, though!

sskohli · #12 (**permalink**) 24-May-2005, 14:00 PM

Hi All,
Waheguru jee ka khalsa waheguru jee kee fateh
This was really very interesting read..and i want to add my thoughts on it.
I think i can speak from both sides...cos i have learn astrology and also am an avid sikhism follower.
I think our religion is the most rational religion ever and we are not narrow in our approach and embrace almost everything which seems logical.
If we speak of astrology, i think its just a science as physics or biology, just cos the europeans didn't discover it and its not included in the curriculum does not mean its useless.
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Our Guru Granth Sahib has taken a lot from the vedas, infact it is said that the Guru Granth Sahib, is the essence of the four vedas. If we consider that then Astrology is called a Veda Anga or a limb of the vedas, infact it is called the Eye of the Vedas.
Astrology, in fact all education in the vedic times was taught, as word of mouth and thas how it was carried over generations. With the numerous invasions in india, this science was not taken further or was not communicated as it shud've been, thas why the discrepancy. The problem is not with the science but the people who practice it without enough knowledge and just want to make a fast buck.
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I think we should appreciate the fact that the sages during that time were able to develop all the complex calculations predicting the motion of planets, etc using astrology. Not going further, even our Nanakshahi calendar is based on the same calculations.
I have read the works of many of these sages and there is no mention of religion there, its just a science as any other and i guess shud be treated as such, no more no less.
And what our gurus were talking about was that the pandits at those times (not astrologers...there is a Big difference..) were exploiting ppl with their practices which the gurus wanted to curb so they were agains these pandits and their rituals and not astrology.
Also if you see now, we are also following the same rituals, not getting the essence out of Guru Granth Sahib, but carrying out daily practices which lead to no end.
Thanks
Sandeep

devinesanative · #13 (**permalink**) 14-Nov-2005, 12:29 PM

I agree with Dear SSKOHLI that astrology is a science and has nothing to do with any religion of he world over.

Just like we predict the weather forcasting so is astrology.
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If tides can occur due to the gravitational pull of the MOON , then why not does MOON have the effect of the Human beings , as Human beings also contain water , and water is also magnetic in nature.

so are the relations of other planets.

Astrology just acts as the guide posts , is not for miracles to happens ......

devinesanative · #14 (**permalink**) 14-Nov-2005, 12:52 PM

Merely Jaaaping the Naam or Believing in Waheguru won't suffice unless and until action is taken.

Because , When actions are taken then only it shows that a person has faith and belief in waheguru.
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But if there is constant fear and insecurity in taking actions , then it does reflect that person has no belief and faith in wahe guru ..

Jaaping the Naam and believing in Waheguru without actions will merely make a person lethargic or may be sometimes "chaaplus" , "chela" , "chamcha","chronies".
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The Luck is that all the human beings have been endowed with each and every thing that is necessary for survival,and if action be not taken to utilize that resources won't make anyone Lucky.

rosethorne · #15 (**permalink**) 26-Jan-2006, 16:57 PM

WJKK WJKF,

Dear Gursikhs, Amerikaurji said, Can Sikhs believe in luck?My guess is...no.

But Me can say about this that when a person borns in a family, Is actually his luck is. And we very oftenly And surely Amerikaurji also saying this, That We are having good fate of bieng in Gursikhi from Birth.
Why we mold the things into our kind of. Astrology is pure science like that Everyone have a right to see his future if he can. And every Gursikh in world is not Gyani Dhiani. Aren't we keen into our next coming day? Then Astrology is for to see that before it happens. It is not of ritualism. It is pure science and it depends totally on a sensible brain, how to accept and react on that.
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Guru Amardassji's bani showing us that Every Gursikh have Nine treasures and eighteen spiritual powers until He has the NAAM. Without the NAAM there is nothing. 99% of Gursikhs, Who are having so much NAAM in them but living with Ego. We are not the supreme Humans. First we have to serve love to all humans. Planets are made by ther CREATOR, AKALPURAKH. And the creatures on earth also. Whereever our sight can go, whatever we can feel, whatever we can Hear, every thing is created by AKALPURAKH. Jyotish is not a question at all. But the main question is to get the NAAM. And it is not possible in every Gursikh's life. Because every person is having his own kind of thinking.Else everything evry body can find in this Waak.

SHALOK, THIRD MEHL: One who knows God, and who lovingly focuses his attention on the One Word of the Shabad, keeps his spirituality intact. The nine treasures and the eighteen spiritual powers of the Siddhas follow him, who keeps the Lord enshrined in his heart. Without the True Guru, the Name is not found; understand this, and reflect upon it. O Nanak, through perfect good destiny, one meets the True Guru, and finds peace, throughout the four ages. || 1 ||(Page 649)

manbir · #16 (**permalink**) 03-Mar-2006, 14:37 PM

We go to a jyotshi out of fear of unknown.
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We want to know about our future because we are afraid of future.
We are afraid of future because we know that we cannot solve all our problem.
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Why we cannot solve all our problems because we take events in our life as problems.
Problems are Problems when you consider them as Problems.
Guru tells us -- If you leave everything on Almighty He solves all your problems.
Then the events in life no longer are problems, rather they are HIS blessings.

bhupinder malhotra · #17 (**permalink**) 15-Aug-2007, 21:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazz

For as long as I can remember, people from various religeons, and also my own sikh community, rely on horoscpes, well what I mean is 'Janam Kundli', this is taken into consideration at young life, at time of marriage etc etc.

What does sikhism teach us of 'Janam Kundli'.

What does Sikhism teach us of 'sants', 'babas', or people who say they can see/influence the future with an monetary offering.

dear friend
if you had little knowledge of vedic astrology / birth chart/ janam kundli, you would not have posed this hypothetical question relating to sikhism.because it is essentially related to every human being who wants to know his future.bhupinder malhotra

Astroboy · #18 (**permalink**) 15-Aug-2007, 21:30 PM

What about the tuk that says, the jyotshi talks about the various worlds but doesn't know what is kept behind his back?
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This only points to the direction that you cannot trust the jyotshis words.