Wages for Pathi for Sri Akhand Path.

00smita · #1 (**permalink**) 09-Sep-2010, 18:58 PM

dear sir
waheguru ji ka khalsa wahe guru ji ki fateh
i have been told that the wages paid to pathi is rs30/hr this is too less
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it must be atleast rs100/hr
pls comment
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 09-Sep-2010, 19:09 PM

WAGES ?? for a RITUAL ?? any amount is too small or too big..according to the "receiver" and the "Payer"....imho BOTH dont get nay spiritual benefit..its purely commercial ..willing buyer willing seller concept...
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if you wnat a benefit..DO the Paath yourslef at rate of ONE SHABAD a DAY and FOLLOW the TEACHINGS to change your LIFE accordingly...

Tejwant Singh · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

WAGES ?? for a RITUAL ?? any amount is too small or too big..according to the "receiver" and the "Payer"....imho BOTH dont get nay spiritual benefit..its purely commercial ..willing buyer willing seller concept...
if you wnat a benefit..DO the Paath yourslef at rate of ONE SHABAD a DAY and FOLLOW the TEACHINGS to change your LIFE accordingly...

Gyani ji,

Guru Fateh.

Well said.

No one could have put this in a better manner.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

dalbirk · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 19:48 PM

The Akhand Path factories should mend their ways IMHO , selling & booking Akhand Paaths sending hukamnaamas by post is exactly the ritual which takes us away from the true spirit of Gurbani . Gurbani is for understanding & practising in daily life . Gurbani is not mantras which will yield us any benifits unless we personally listen , understand & practice it in the true spirit The Sikh masses have been so scared from BEADBI OF GURUJI that they have almost left this important task to professional Granthis & Bhais which IMHO is itself the biggest BEADBI of Guru Maharaj , Sikhs have become Hindulike leaving the reading of Gurbani to professional Brahmins ( granthis ) while they themselves go about the business of earning livelihood & thus making Shabad Guru a big scary thing to be respected from afar lest they do BEADBI ( dishonour ) of Guru ji . Thus they themselves derive no spiritual benifit which Gyani ji also has mentioned . Rather than getting Akhand Paath booked better donate that amount directly to the Gurudwara . If we certainly wish to derive benifit then we should either do Paath ourselves or ( at least one family member ) compulsarily sit in Guru Ji's presence making sure Granthi recites loudly & we understand at least 50% of Baani in true spirit try to follow that in daily life , that will make our Akhand Paath sucessful .

Tejwant Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 22:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dalbirk

The Akhand Path factories should mend their ways IMHO , selling & booking Akhand Paaths sending hukamnaamas by post is exactly the ritual which takes us away from the true spirit of Gurbani . Gurbani is for understanding & practising in daily life . Gurbani is not mantras which will yield us any benifits unless we personally listen , understand & practice it in the true spirit The Sikh masses have been so scared from BEADBI OF GURUJI that they have almost left this important task to professional Granthis & Bhais which IMHO is itself the biggest BEADBI of Guru Maharaj , Sikhs have become Hindulike leaving the reading of Gurbani to professional Brahmins ( granthis ) while they themselves go about the business of earning livelihood & thus making Shabad Guru a big scary thing to be respected from afar lest they do BEADBI ( dishonour ) of Guru ji . Thus they themselves derive no spiritual benifit which Gyani ji also has mentioned . Rather than getting Akhand Paath booked better donate that amount directly to the Gurudwara . If we certainly wish to derive benifit then we should either do Paath ourselves or ( at least one family member ) compulsarily sit in Guru Ji's presence making sure Granthi recites loudly & we understand at least 50% of Baani in true spirit try to follow that in daily life , that will make our Akhand Paath sucessful .

Dalbirk ji,

Guru Fateh.

The problem is not with the Akhand path factories akin to puppy mills in the US. The problem is with the owners of these factories. And the owners are SGPC,DGPC and local Gurdwaras both in India and also in the diaspora.

So, the culprits are the SGPC, DGPC and the local management of the respective Gurdwaras both in India and abroad.

How many Akahnd Paths do we see being performed in the premises of Harmander Sahib and other properties that surround it daily?

If Pathi has become a profession by this trend, then Pathis should be trained well and paid well so that they can see their personal growth from the Miri-Piri point of view and do not have the feeling to skip some pages when no one is looking.

These mechanical rituals are here to stay with the Sikh masses who have ingrained Hindutva in them, hence they can not be stopped immediately because they make a lot of money for the Gurdwaras.

Yes, the ideal way is Sehaj path of one Shabad at a time as recommended by Gyani ji which is one excellent and the right idea but not all are keen to learning Gurbani. Most of the Sikhs are there for some quick fixes and miracles and both these traits are anti Sikhi.

So, there should be a two prong approach in order to stop this outsourcing of Akhand Paths. First, the initiative should come from SGPC and DGPC. They should be the first ones to stop having Akhand Paths in the Gurdwaras managed by them and then have more vigilance on other Gurdwaras. Same thing should happen in the diaspora.

The second prong is that all Gurdwaras should invite the Sangat who are interested in learning how to do sehaj path and understand it. A Pathi who understands Gurbani should be present and should guide the interested person in understanding Gurbani. This will motivate many people to go to Gurdwaras daily, not as a ritual but to have something more fruitful, something intangibly tangible which will lead them to the Gurmat path for the rest of their lives. Next time when they listen to the Shabad being sung by the Raagis, they will find more connection because they have already learned the meaning of that.

This would be what they call, the true self fulfilling prophecy.

Tejwant Singh

findingmyway · #6 (**permalink**) 11-Sep-2010, 06:27 AM

Unfortunately I have noticed a lot of granthis and grandparents encouraging ritualism and increasing fear of beadbi. First you are not ALLOWED to read from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji until you have gone through the ceremony of charni lagni so instantly many people I know feel that the Guru is off limits and is too difficult. Then in the Gurdwara you are TOLD OFF (rather than instructed) if you make a pronunciation error or hold and move the chor the wrong way and a hundred other such things. This makes people feel afraid of the Guru rather than love our Guru. Finally, people are inherently lazy. Studying Gurbani is hard work, especially if Panjabi is not your primary language.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32174
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Tejwant Ji, you are right. The solution needs to be 2-pronged

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 11-Sep-2010, 08:53 AM

ETC Punjabi has a very good Gurbani Paath Drashan Prog called Brahmgyan. Right now they are doing katha of Japji and are at Pauree 27. The Teacher explains exceptionally well and according to Gurbani Grammar. Anyone with a Satellite connection can watch it..
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1. The Pujarees have made the Guru inaccessible and "walled in " to get all the EARNINGS just as the Brahmins made laws to wall in Sanskrti and Vedas etc from the ordinary Hindu..ONLY the Brahmin could read/dispence the wisdom of the vedas...today the Pujarees or Neo-Brahmins in Sikhism want that EXCLUSIVE "Right to earn from Gurbani" for THEMSELVES...only a Gyani/Bhai Ji knows the ardass..paath..kirtan..whatever...and the ordinary joe sikh follows them around like alost kitten..."Kee kareayeha Bhai ji..Gyani ji..hun kee kareayeah..blah blah..when in fact its Guru Jis COMMAND for eavery SIKH to do his /her own Ardass/Paath/Pooja etc !!

findingmyway · #8 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2010, 17:22 PM

I recently made a request to the Gurdwara committee that could the granthi please do some vichaar of the hukamnama in simple Panjabi even if only 5 minutes so we get the gist. In ardaas he always says "hukamnama baksho" so I sid to them that was pointless if we didn't understand what the hukamnama was telling us! The answer that came back was that the granthi doesn't have enough knowledge to do this!!!
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spnadmin · #9 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2010, 21:47 PM

You know sometimes an answer like that - so and so does not have enough knowledge to complete a shabad vichaar - is supposed to demonstrate deep humility - as in who am or anyone else to interpret the words of our Gurus. Which missed IMHO the entire point made the the Gurus.

findingmyway · #10 (**permalink**) 02-Nov-2010, 22:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spnadmin

You know sometimes an answer like that - so and so does not have enough knowledge to complete a shabad vichaar - is supposed to demonstrate deep humility - as in who am or anyone else to interpret the words of our Gurus. Which missed IMHO the entire point made the the Gurus.

The job description of a granthi is to help others understand Gurbani. Thats like someone coming to me for an eye examination and me saying sorry i'm too humble to advise you of whats best for you. I'm not going to explain your eye condition to you as that would display ego!!! The teachers in gurmat and panjabi classes don't behave that way so why do granthi's?

Sangats rely too much on knowledge from others to tell them what to think. And the role of granthi isn't taken seriously-anyone with a knowledge of Panjabi is taken on rather than looking at Gurmat knowledge. This results in a vicious cycle where we end up with ritualistic services as few strive to go beyond that. That is my observation to date. More education is definitely needed at all levels