Why are we not allowed to cut hair when it's ok to cut nails, since both are created by God?

kds1980 · #**100** (**permalink**) 21-Sep-2010, 14:07 PM

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As for Harryputtar89's posts, although I agree with his content, still I do not agree with the language he used. Discussions should remain civil no matter how contentious the issue might be!

Dear skeptic

Do You think mods and admins on this site are fools? Harryputtar is your second ID on this site

skeptic.freethinker1 · #**101** (**permalink**) 21-Sep-2010, 14:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Do You think mods and admins on this site are fools?

Perhaps the strongest argument for proving that skeptic.freethinker ji is the same person as harry.puttar is the insulting language he hurled at respected forum leader Kanwardeep Singh ji. Even the style of his rhetoric is the same. Too bad.
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Yours truly, spnadmin

Response from Skeptic.freethinker1:-
I did not post any such thing in this post which needed to be deleted. You are just censoring anything which doesn't fit your view. I didn't even use the word fool. It was Kanwardeep ji who used it.

An allegation was made against me and I have every right to question that and ask for proof. I understand you might not be able to do that because of your privacy policy but this doesn't mean anyone can make any such wild allegations just because I am a new member.

If you don't appreciate such discussions on this forum then just let me know instead of trying to censor me.

I strongly urge you to restore my original post.

ManinderSingh69 · #**102** (**permalink**) 21-Sep-2010, 15:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

The common theme that seems to have emerged in majority of the posts after I left is that we shouldn't really be looking for a rational or logical reason to do something that our religion asks us to do and instead we should do it because of our faith.

I feel there are two things that matters while following Religion. Faith and Love. If i talk about myself, Love comes first then the faith. It can take years for the same or few seconds. The only thing matters is taking the first step towards it even if u don't have faith or love for that. Starting with Moolmantar or Jap Ji Sahib may be the simplest way.
Quoting it again,

ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਏਕ ਪੈਡਾ ਜਾਇ ਚਲ
charan saran gur eaek paidda jae chal
ਸਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਕੋਟਿ ਪੈਡਾ ਆਗੇ ਹੋਇ ਲੇਤ ਹੈ ॥
satt gur kott paindda agae hoe laeth hai ||

It reminds me of the incidence when Bhai Lehna Ji (Guru Angad Dev Ji) came to meet Guru Nanak Dev Ji for the very first time. Guru Ji Himself went to receive Bhai Lehna Ji. Awesome moment that must be.

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

Now I realise that probably I wasn't clear myself as to what I wanted to ask. My problem probably isn't with the reason behind keeping my hair. If I had enough faith I wouldn't be asking this question at all. My problem seems more because of my lack of faith. And faith isn't something you can generate within yourself. You either have it or you don't. And when you do convert from one side to another, it's not usually because you found some real good reasoning to have faith or to not have it. It's mostly because of your state of mind and events that happen in your life. So although I am tempted to ask if someone could give me a good reason to have faith in our religion, I do realise it would be a silly question because of the above mentioned reasons.

Some of the members mentioned that the 'reason' behind them keeping their hair is their belief in our Guru's teachings. That makes sense when I consider that these people have firm faith in the religion. But I don't anymore, and that's my problem.

Exactly. But this is not what we should be sorry for. While learning, no phase is wrong.

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

What a person of faith calls 'belief' is just a plain superstition for a person like me who doesn't really have enough faith. I have an aunt in India who refuse to follow a route if a black cat crosses her path. Now for me it is a blind superstition since there is no logical reason behind her behavior, but since she really believes in it, for her it's her 'belief'. She just chooses to believe without looking for reason.

This reminds me one point Gyani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen used to tell abt 'Blindfaith'. In Religion Blindfaith is important provided the One u are following is not Blind.

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

I don't know where I am headed spiritually, but that's probably my own journey and no one can help me with that.
Some of the members had recommended listening to Gurbani to find the answers. I tried going through english translations and did cover lot of text. But I realised even that doesn't do anything for you if you don't really believe in what you are reading. And that probably is the case with me. My mind continues to search for reason behind what is being said in the Gurbani and I find none. At least not right now.
Anyways, I will continue to read and see where it takes me.

I really really appreciate ur efforts and I will pray for u and for me also. Try listening to Bhai Guriqbal Singh Ji. I'm his big fan :P

http://www.sikhnet.com/artist/7595/audio
Another thing is, try reading Gurbani from Gutka Sahib even without translation if u can read Punjabi well.

Best Wishes and Regards.
Its just because of You, i have learned a lotttt. Heartiest Thanks for that.

ManinderSingh69 · #**103** (**permalink**) 21-Sep-2010, 17:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jasbirkaleka

ManinderSingh ji,

I think human body is the most beautiful thing in the world and that is the reason artists from ancient times have created such wonderful

sculutres of the human body all over the world,e.g. in Greece, Rome and even in India.

It is the perverted mind that sees uglyness in a naked body.

If you believe that God created us ugly ,how can you say in the same breath that the hair is beautiful?

well, i never said that God made us Ugly. He s the Master and has created the Best. I felt ur comment was a bit sarcastic. 2ndly I just told u what Guru Ji has to say(if u are following Sikhism) abt ur point of roaming naked. No other intentions i had.

Warm Regards

Sanget · #**104** (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2011, 12:53 PM

I used to keep my hair, I kept my hair for 5 years. Keeping my hair reli screwed my life, i got depression, i constantly got sick, my life suxed, and I was so frustrated. And the reason for keeping my hair? Just because guruji ask to.... What a stupid reason.. I just took a scissors and cut my hair. And now, I am living my life to fullesh, I am so happy now. I look better, more hygienic, 99X happier, dun need to suffer the pain of combing my hair and all the other crap. And now, I have 0 belief in Sikhism and I consider Sikhism as ********. Every sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars. Pls cut off your hair if you're not happy with it, dun pretend. You are not doing any good to yourself or the world by keeping your hair, you're just troubling yourself.

Mai Harinder Kaur · #**105** (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2011, 13:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanget

I used to keep my hair, I kept my hair for 5 years. Keeping my hair reli screwed my life, i got depression, i constantly got sick, my life suxed, and I was so frustrated. And the reason for keeping my hair? Just because guruji ask to.... What a stupid reason.. I just took a scissors and cut my hair. And now, I am living my life to fullesh, I am so happy now. I look better, more hygienic, 99X happier, dun need to suffer the pain of combing my hair and all the other crap. And now, I have 0 belief in Sikhism and I consider Sikhism as ********. Every sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars. Pls cut off your hair if you're not happy with it, dun pretend. You are not doing any good to yourself or the world by keeping your hair, you're just troubling yourself.

Sanget ji,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Please bear in mind that different people are different. To you, at this time in your life, you have chosen not to keep kesh. Fine, that is your decision.

However, please remember that Sikhi is about much more than hair. Please also remember that what is a bother and seemingly traumatic to you may be beautiful and meaningful to others.

Let's see. You are 16 and you sound very angry. You will grow up and many things about you will change. Possibly this, possibly not.

I wish you well, my young brother, and hope to see you back one day with or without kesh, when you want to learn what Sikhi is all about.

Remain in chardi kala!

gurbanicd · #**106** (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2011, 14:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanget

I used to keep my hair, I kept my hair for 5 years. Keeping my hair reli screwed my life, i got depression, i constantly got sick, my life suxed, and I was so frustrated. And the reason for keeping my hair? Just because guruji ask to.... What a stupid reason.. I just took a scissors and cut my hair. And now, I am living my life to fullesh, I am so happy now. I look better, more hygienic, 99X happier, dun need to suffer the pain of combing my hair and all the other crap. And now, I have 0 belief in Sikhism and I consider Sikhism as ********. Every sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars. Pls cut off your hair if you're not happy with it, dun pretend. You are not doing any good to yourself or the world by keeping your hair, you're just troubling yourself.

sangat ji

Your post is somewhat ok somewhat not.I and lakhs of sikh are having similar experience of keeping the keshas forcibly due to community and parental pressure.

Actually keshas are not important for materialistic life BUT are must for spiritual upliftment.

sPIRITUAL UPLIFTMENT IS THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HERE.

Until unless we are away from guru ,guru shabad,gurbani or COMPANY OF blessed soulS, (sangat) kesha are almost have no meaning but once we are in gurbani fold that this life is to recite NAAM GURBANI SEVA SIMRAN and we are not meant for running behind materialistic things BLINDLY.

your saying that you are living life to full without hair is your perception only.You mean that all those who are not having full hairs are happy and satisfied is WRONG.

continuous vichhar of gurbani shabads can help to change the thinking

BHULAN CHUKAN DI KHIMA KHIMA

spnadmin · #**107** (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2011, 16:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanget

I used to keep my hair, I kept my hair for 5 years. Keeping my hair reli screwed my life, i got depression, i constantly got sick, my life suxed, and I was so frustrated. And the reason for keeping my hair? Just because guruji ask to.... What a stupid reason.. I just took a scissors and cut my hair. And now, I am living my life to fullesh, I am so happy now. I look better, more hygienic, 99X happier, dun need to suffer the pain of combing my hair and all the other crap. And now, I have 0 belief in Sikhism and I consider Sikhism as ********. Every sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars. Pls cut off your hair if you're not happy with it, dun pretend. You are not doing any good to yourself or the world by keeping your hair, you're just troubling yourself.

Sanget ji

Speaking as admin,

I want first of all to ask you to write in standard English so that we can comprehend you without struggle.

The second thing I beg is that you avoid gross generalizations such as "sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars."

Now let's get down to brass tacks. You have made a decision that suits you. I am relieved. However...What works for you is not a prescription for anyone else. OK...so you know what works for you! Don't stretch beyond that point. What works for you is not the solution for any other man or woman who is trying to make his/her own decision about kesh. What is "stupid" to you may be a valid question to someone else.

dalbirk · #**108** (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2011, 20:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanget

I used to keep my hair, I kept my hair for 5 years. Keeping my hair reli screwed my life, i got depression, i constantly got sick, my life suxed, and I was so frustrated. And the reason for keeping my hair? Just because guruji ask to.... What a stupid reason.. I just took a scissors and cut my hair. And now, I am living my life to fullesh, I am so happy now. I look better, more hygienic, 99X happier, dun need to suffer the pain of combing my hair and all the other crap. And now, I have 0 belief in Sikhism and I consider Sikhism as ********. Every sikh men who says they have no problem keeping their hair are liars. Pls cut off your hair if you're not happy with it, dun pretend. You are not doing any good to yourself or the world by keeping your hair, you're just troubling yourself.

Dear Sanget Ji ,
I would like to give you my example . I am a Sikh living in India ( Punjab ) . I have never cut my hair in my whole life , not to say that I was very spiritually inclined , it was just pressure of society which kept me from doing so , however in last four years when I have discovered what Sikhism is all about , I have thanked God countless times that He did not let me go down that path . Since last four years I have become many times more happier , more at peace with myself & made great progress in my business . It is all due to the clarity of thought , wisdom , the disciplined lifestyle ( not to be controlled by five vices : Lust ,Anger , Greed , Attachment , Ego ) which our Guru , Sri Guru Granth Sahib asks us to follow though I am not still regular on waking up at Amritvela & doing Nitnem of five baanis . I may suggest you to stop thinking about hair & just follow the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ( even you keep cutting hair ) . Hair or no hair is irrelevant , when you do not wish to commit adultery you are always comfortable with your looks . You have only one life why waste it in EATING , DRINKING & MAKING MERRY only .