Why are we not allowed to cut hair when it's ok to cut nails, since both are created by God?

Dear Jasdir Ji ,
Please read my above post . I will like to add to it that the outer appearance ( HAIR ) is just a very small REHAT of what Sikhism is requiring . What about the requirement of rising at Amritvela , doing Nitnem , being faithful to one Partner , abstaining from pre-marital & extra marital sex , abstaining from tobacco , alcohal , all intoxicants , abstaining from Halal Meat ( not all meat ) , not going to graves ( peers ) , Brahmins, astrologers , mandirs are all the other requirements of SIKH FAITH . I may bring to your attention that in Indian history many thousand movements started like Bhakti , Yogism ( Gorakh ) Mimasa etc etc all of which sank without a trace , there are even no authentic writings outside of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji of Hindu or Muslim Bhagats whose writing are included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji except for those which are already included . Who destroyed all those writings ? Who consumed all those movements , why were they assimilated , many many questions are there . The only probable answer IMHO to all these is perhaps that these were not UNIQUE so they were assimilated & consumed . The reason why Sikhism is still surviving today is ONLY because of HAIR , had they not been compulsory , Brahmins would have been at the helm of affairs at Akal Takhat Sahib like they are at topmost Buddhist & Jainist shrines which is why countless efforts to revive Buddhism ( a major world religion ) & Jainism have borne no fruit & both these religions are lost to India forever .

 
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sorry to say but that was the most ugly and stupid post i have ever read. here is wat Guru Ji says about the point u made.

ਮਿਲੈ ਜਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਤਿਆਂ ਡਡਾਂ ਜਲ ਵਾਸੀ॥ਵਾਲ ਵਧਾਇਆਂ ਪਾਈਐ ਬੜ ਜਟਾਂ ਪਲਾਸੀ॥ਨੰਗੇ ਰਹਿਆਂ ਜੇ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਣਿ ਮਿਰਗ ਉਦਾਸੀ॥ਭਸਮ ਲਾਇ ਜੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਖਰੁ ਖੇਹ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ॥ਜੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਚੁਪ ਕੀਤਿਆਂ ਪਸੂਆਂ ਜੜ ਹਾਸੀ॥ਵਿਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੈ ਖਲਾਸੀ ॥੧੪॥*

thanks

If u think its all non sense that is being taught by all the religions then y u are here debating on different topics. And if u will tell Gurbani nonsense then u r the biggest ******* on this earth along with few others. And it would be a privilege to call u ******* a 100 times for that quote. I am aware that u will come back with a 10 times harder words but that doesn't matters to me. (sorry the site is not showing the actual words nd m really sorry for that)

And better tell ur mother if u dont want to keep hair rather than telling the whole world. And, if u think all the people who are following Guru Ji's Words are fool or something more, remember ur mother is among them. (I'm very very very very sorry to ur mom for the wordings i have used but there is nothing else I can do)


if u r relying on the the translation done by someone, then its ur mistake. the interpretation may vary person to person and it may not be always true.

Anyways, I will pray for me as well as for u. Paramaatma saanu sabb nu Sattbudhi bakshe.

take care

I beleive you should keep hair if you are a practicing sikh and you follow other moral,ethical and spiritual rules of sikhi from heart, otherwise if you are keeping hair just to fulfill a ritual and you drink at night, you goto clubs etc and live immoral life then I don't see any point in keeping hair, or if you keep hair under pressure from family then you are following an empty ritual, I beleive first follow the moral,ethical commandes of the religion, Guru Nanak beleived that whatever you beleive in truthfully should reflect in your life also,as someone mentioned some where in one of the above posts, being in the hukum of akal purkh, you will accept kesh as part of nature's/waheguru's gift, your submission to Guru and in hukum of akal purkh should reflect outwardly also in sikhi saroop, I don't see a point in ritualistically following something

ManinderSingh ji,
I think human body is the most beautiful thing in the world and that is the reason artists from ancient times have created such wonderful

sculutres of the human body all over the world,e.g. in Greece, Rome and even in India.

It is the perverted mind that sees uglyness in a naked body.

If you believe that God created us ugly ,how can you say in the same breath that the hair is beautiful?

I do not believe that anywhere here is anything suggesting the human body, clothed or unclothed is ugly. What is ugly is the writer's making it into simply an object of lust. And that is ugly, indeed!

jasbirkaleka ji

I think it is a good thing that you went on to explain your point of view. It is much clearer now. Earlier it almost sounded as if you were being sarcastic. Perhaps not, but some readers may not have understood what you meant.

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Originally Posted by jasbirkaleka
The best way to pleasw God is to roam about naked becaude that is how God wished us to be.
Finally a voice of reason! If that was one of the tenants of Sikhi, I would have been a big fan of our entire philosophy.

After going through these logics
The question that comes to my mind is why Didn't god made us self sustainable organism, may be chlorophyll for energy and asexual reproduction and so forth..... If you really want to stretch your thought then their is no limit...
Their is no GPS routing for spiritual path if you want to walk it, you will only know better ways and will found why those paths are made that way when you will put your self on that journey.....as wise men said can't know the depth of river sitting on banks.
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Good Luck....

Thank you everyone for contributing to the thread!

I was constantly reading the posts even while traveling but couldn't find an opportunity to respond to any of the posts.

The common theme that seems to have emerged in majority of the posts after I left is that we shouldn't really be looking for a rational or logical reason to do something that our religion asks us to do and instead we should do it because of our faith.

Since I had some time to reflect, I understand this line of thought much better now. I might not agree with it but I fully understand why a person with deep faith would think on these lines.

Now I realise that probably I wasn't clear myself as to what I wanted to ask. My problem probably isn't with the reason behind keeping my hair. If I had enough faith I wouldn't be asking this question at all. My problem seems more because of my lack of faith.

And faith isn't something you can generate within yourself. You either have it or you don't. And when you do convert from one side to another, it's not usually because you found some real good reasoning to have faith or to not have it. It's mostly because of your state of mind and events that happen in your life. So although I am tempted to ask if someone could give me a good reason to have faith in our religion, I do realise it would be a silly question because of the above mentioned reasons.

Some of the members mentioned that the 'reason' behind them keeping their hair is their belief in our Guru's teachings. That makes sense when I consider that these people have firm faith in the religion. But I don't anymore, and that's my problem.

What a person of faith calls 'belief' is just a plain superstition for a person like me who doesn't really have enough faith. I have an aunt in India who refuse to follow a route if a black cat crosses her path. Now for me it is a blind superstition since there is no logical reason behind her behavior, but since she really believes in it, for her it's her 'belief'. She just chooses to believe without looking for reason.

I don't know where I am headed spiritually, but that's probably my own journey and no one can help me with that.

Some of the members had recommended listening to Gurbani to find the answers. I tried going through english translations and did cover lot of text. But I realised even that doesn't do anything for you if you don't really believe in what you are reading. And that probably is the case with me. My mind continues to search for reason behind what is being said in the Gurbani and I find none. At least not right now.
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Anyways, I will continue to read and see where it takes me.

And some of the members who joined the thread quite late, again tried to give some 'logical' reasons as to why we should keep hair on the lines of heat conservation etc. I think I already discussed and refuted all the similar reasons in the very beginning of the thread, specially the article by Dr. Brinda Kaur. So I won't respond to those 'reasons'.

As for Harryputtar89's posts, although I agree with his content, still I do not agree with the language he used. Discussions should remain civil no matter how contentious the issue might be!