What Image Comes To Your Mind When You Think Of God?

Tejwant Singh · #19 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

When I think of God, following scenes which are part of His creation flash in my mind..

A young kid afflicted with polio. (God created the kid and God created the polio)
Numerous impoverished children dying of hunger in Africa
Thousands of infants dying in developing countries due the lack of basic health services. God can help them but he chooses not to, for some divine reason.

Since he is the all mighty, I don't question his wisdom in afflicting above brutalities on the innocent children. He probably is punishing the kids for some reason which is totally beyond me.

Skeptic.freethinkerji,

Guru Fateh.

I am surprised at your explanation of a deity God while claiming to be a Sikh.

Your above post has nothing to do with Ik Ong Kaar because Ik Ong kaar is not a deity like in other religions. So what you envision is not the Sikh concept but more an Abrahamical one or a Hindu concept.

Once again Ik Ong Kaar is not a deity the way you have projected above.

I would suggest that you read the description of Ik Ong Kaar as described in Mool Mantar by Guru Nanak. In fact there are many translations of Mool Mantar in this forum. Just use the search button.

Good luck in your search.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

skeptic.freethinker1 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 08:55 AM

Tejwant ji,
Thanks for the guidance. I will surely go through the relevant articles.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/32121-what-image-comes-your-mind-when.html

Regards.

Randip Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 10-Sep-2010, 18:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skeptic.freethinker1

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Thanks for the reply.

I used 'Him' primarily as a figure of speech. I hope the ladies don't take offense to that.

So, are you saying that to teach us compassion and to guide us towards helping others, God tortures innocent kids, maims them and then kills them!!

Isn't this equivalent of....say I have five kids. And to make them compassionate towards each other and to teach them to help each other, I torture and kill one of them??

If that is YOUR definition of God then YES!, but that is not mine, nor the Sikh one.

For starters we don’t see the concept of God in terms of a being a he or she.

The Sikh concept of God/Allah/Bhagwan/Rubb just creates a set of parameters for us to live in, call them the laws of nature or laws of science. One could even say God is in the Sikh sense is the laws of nature or laws of science.

What we choose to do within those parameters is our own free will. We can either be “Manmukh” (Self willed slaves to Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh and Hankaar), or Gurmukh (“God” willed, having patience, contentment, charity etc). It’s up to us entirely how we operate within these parameters.

In the Sikh notion there is no classic battle between good and evil or God and the Devil. If we however become self willed, where we only think of self, then some of the acts we may do maybe be classified as “evil”.

Using your analogy, as humans we can either help or ignore those starving children, it is up to us. “God” gives us that free will. Now if you chose to kill that child,that is you. Not God. You have acted in free will, and you will pay the consequences for that.

What I am saying is basically, kids starve and die, not because God allows it, but because we allow it!