Mathematics in Scripture?

roopsidhu · #28 (**permalink**) 18-May-2010, 15:22 PM

SSA
originalli quoted by Narayanjot ji
All I was asking was for your opinion of those two paragraphs as I continue to be ambivalent, and don't know what to make of them. Your opinion is still welcome. Thanks.
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I have already posted my reply. But for a moment when I read the word "ambivalent" I was not able to understand in which context it was written. Any how, please do write your views about my post
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Astroboy · #29 (**permalink**) 18-May-2010, 18:22 PM

Here is what I found in resonance with this topic.
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Secret Teachings of All Ages: The Pythagorean Theory of Music and Color

Narayanjot Kaur · #30 (**permalink**) 18-May-2010, 19:26 PM

roopsidhu ji

I can't really voice an opinion because this is an area which I do not have technical knowledge.

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So based on the “ras bhav” ( prakriti) of the bani it might has been divided into 31 raagas. The set of notes of different ragas will produce the different frequency of vibrations depending upon the ras bhav of the bani, and when resonance will be in effect that bani will travel to the deeper most layers of mind and will have permanent effect on the mind. Then only the surat will meet the prime source (God)
Singing contains two parts, lai and taal ( tune and rythem). Supposing the Lai (the tune being the most important part for creating resonance) when guru ji divided the bani in ragas the most important part of Tune was taken care of. But still, as the remaining part Taal (rhythm) was remaining. I believe to complete the process in full parts of gurbani were specified by Ghar (rhythm) also. It seems that when the music is created in particular raag and is being sung in particular ghar (rythem) it might be creating the best possible resonance with the minds of the listeners. WOW the fine scientific occurrences like acoustic resonance has been taking care of while compiling gurbani. When I think about this my head bows further towards the feet of satguru.

So intuitively it seems right. We know that kirtan has this effect from individual and personal experience. The musical organization makes that possible, makes a connection with the deepest parts of the mind possible. So I have to nod my head in agreement with you. Now it would be great if the ideas expressed in your comments could be expanded, elaborated into more research and investigation.

Narayanjot Kaur · #31 (**permalink**) 18-May-2010, 19:29 PM

NamJap ji

The article you have just linked to the discussion is fascinating from beginning to end, and I think there is some truth to it. Modern investigations in the area of physics have examined connections between resonance and changes in physical form.

mattqatsi · #32 (**permalink**) 19-May-2010, 07:25 AM

I havn't forgotten about this, sorry I havn't responded. I'm working out a response but I have a 30-page paper due in two days. I'll be back Thurs/Friday with something to say

polpol · #33 (**permalink**) 16-Sep-2010, 21:18 PM

Numerology is originally a hebrew construct and can only make sense with the Hebrew alphabet. Each letter indeed stands for a number so it is possible to find meaning in an equation or a mathematical formula. Protestants took much interest by the Kabbale (a set of mystic and esoteric knowledge), and tried to apply Hebrew conepts and principles to the New Testament to find some hidden meaning. The "epta" thing is indeed very important. In Jewish tradition there is something sacred or meaningful about the number 7. For some, all this is just plain superstition while others see it as a path to mystic ie. hidden and higher knowledge. I don't think we can just borrow concepts from one culture and apply them to another and expect any sereous result. Later I will make a demonstration of numerology using our friend Mattqatsi but now I have to go. I thought people gave some time to this thread so it would be a way to conclude in case our friend doesn't show up. I hope he is ok. He seemed very stressed out.

Seeker9 · #34 (**permalink**) 16-Sep-2010, 21:27 PM

Dear Polpol Ji

I don't belive in numerology or significant numbers...9 is another as it is the highest single number and features in eastern culture including Buddhism
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But I am intrigued by your forthcoming demonstration and look forward to it!!!

polpol · #35 (**permalink**) 17-Sep-2010, 02:44 AM

Here is a simple demonstration of numerology: Suppose we are in the middle ages and I read what Mattqatsi wrote and I have a feeling he is going heretic about the Bible. So I want to know more about him but I only know his name and his date of birth. First, I take his name and change the letters of his name into numbers according to A=1, b=2,etc. This will give us 13-1-20-20-17-1-20-19-9. I add them up and I come up with 1230. The real sum is 120 but I'm a monk (devinely inspired), so I chose to write 30 as the sum of the first coloumn which is right, instead of keeping the 3 for the left coloumn, though I also added 3 to that coloumn as we should do in an ordinary addition. So his name is narrowed down to 1-2-3-0...we drop 0 because it's just "nothing" and I see that his weird name in letters has a nice sound, simple, nothing to worry about...just a simple 1,2,3 kind of a guy. I now add up these 3 numbers and it gives 6...oh!?
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Now let's look at the year of his birth. 1987. Do you see something? His name goes up from 1 to 2 to 3 and the year of his birth goesn down from 9 to 8 to 7 or if we prefer it goes up if we read from right to left, which is ok too. I left out the 1 because I had left out the 0 in his name and because I want to keep a set of 3 numbers. Now if I add 9-8-7, I come up with 24 and 2+4=6...oh! oh!?
Let's continue. I notice that between 3 (the last number of his name), and 7 (the last number of his birth year, there is 4-5-6 and if I add them it gives 15 and 1+5=6!

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So we have 6 for his name, 6 in between and 6 for his birth year. 666, the number of the Beast in the Bible. If I were a monk in the middle ages that would be enough to have our poor friend accused of sorcery and be burned alive! Luckily, he could defend himself since I did not consider the day and the month of his birth... the tenth of the sixth month and so we add 6 + 1 (drop the 0), which equals 7 (that's better) and he could also argue that I should have kept the 1 in 1987 whose sum is 25, resulting into 7 and not 6.
So what can we make of all this? Nothing, absolutely NOTHING Ha! Ha! If we were real Kabbalists, who knows, but we're not and that's the point I wanted to make.

Seeker9 · #36 (**permalink**) 17-Sep-2010, 18:15 PM

HAH HAH HAH
That's brilliant!
And worrying too....perhaps we have been infiltrated by the dark side.....
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I posted on a similar thread before that given enough data volume, it's easy to divine patterns and meaning where none exist
But in this case, the source document is one that has been chopped and changed and translated and edited numerous times. How could there possibly be any retained pattern from the original greek/hebrew/coptic texts to the English text (of which there are also multiple versions) now!
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Excellent post!