
22-Jul-2004, 06:10 AM
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| | | | | Yes Kesh, why tied? I fail to grasp why kesh is tied up. If you keep God's gift, then why hide it under a turban? Covering head it for humility but if you can keep the hair tidy while it is down then what is wrong with that? Does Sikhism really require that of people that they tie it up, comb twice a day and tie a specific head cover? It all seems pointless and ritualistic.
Hope someone can point me in the right direction.
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22-Jul-2004, 07:28 AM
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| | | | | Dear CC,
I see your point. The main thing is to keep nicely maintained Kesh as a God's gift. Then comes other details which may be trivial in terms of whether turban or not, what style (round, pointed etc), color, way of tying (left, right) etc etc.
Now that when Kesh are there, when sikhism came into existence, the sikh forces had to stay long long time in forests, and maintaining those nicely with open kesh (without turban) was not practically possible. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/301-yes-kesh-why-tied.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
Further, as a head gear, it seems turban balances the gracious outlook of a sikh who has maintained beard - I mean beard at the face' lower side, and turban from upper side.
Hope that helps. Certainly a great thought from your side | 
22-Jul-2004, 16:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinkingOne Then comes other details which may be trivial in terms of whether turban or not, what style (round, pointed etc), color, way of tying (left, right) etc etc. | OK, it's ok for it to be tied, but the covering humility, why so much fuss about tying this way, that way? Couldn't it become a thing of ego to worry about this? Wouldn't a simple plain bandana do?
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22-Jul-2004, 16:53 PM
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| | | | | I agree with Arvind and CC,
Turbans are worn as a statement to others that you are Sardar... a leader... a little bit of fuss does come into play when a person is not satisfied with the outlook of his truban... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
But its totally a personal thing... I used to be very fussy about the way I used to wear Turban initally... I would tie it and then re-tie it so that I was satsified about it... but with the passage of time... these things take a backside as we grow... but still I think Sikhs should take care of their bandana or turban so that they tie it neatly. I think its personal choice. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
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22-Jul-2004, 17:09 PM
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| | | | | Hmm.
Well I guess I'll actually mention this since we're on topic. I am actually seriously considering not cutting any of my hair any longer. I'm not a member of the Sikh religion, but well I am beginning to believe this is a righteous thing to do... But my parents see me as a religion hopper, so yeah. And I guess it would be hard for people to accept around me etc. I don't know... Blah Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
Being white as well I guess I would get stared at etc... ugh. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
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22-Jul-2004, 18:10 PM
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| | | | | Dear CC
As someone said
" Always follow your Heart... becasue the Almighty stays in your heart..." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
If you or I feel comfortable with something then what others say does not matter. | 
22-Jul-2004, 19:55 PM
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| | | | | CC reminds me of my elder brother, who had a burning desire to seek more and more. Initially, he used to take at least an hour to wear the turban! Simply not very easily satisfied with things he does. In the thought stream, one fine day, he took off turban, and just maintained kesh, with those flying open. Being in Punjab, born to sikh family, people took it as a matter of gossip. But my brother is a soul, who just doesnt care for, whatever happens, and just follows his heart. He continued keeping his hair not tied, and left them open one, I believe he underwent lot of spiritual changes, beyond my limited grasp of matters. Getting back to point, again, I want to say the turban details are trivial ones. Most importantly, turban is something to remind us always that Ik Ong Kaar exists everywhere, and show your humility and respect all the time, and not only in Gurudwara. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
On the lighter side, I guess sikhs cant change hair styles, so they exhibit their that sense of fashion (!) by different turban colors, styles etc. If anyone gets offended with this, I beg for forgiveness, and do point this out, so that I dont repeat this. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
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Originally Posted by ThinkingOne On the lighter side, I guess sikhs cant change hair styles, so they exhibit their that sense of fashion (!) by different turban colors, styles etc. If anyone gets offended with this, I beg for forgiveness, and do point this out, so that I dont repeat this. | LOL. Well isn't it better to avoid fashion as this maybe considered attachment to maya?
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22-Jul-2004, 20:34 PM
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| | | | | I take fashion as an exhibitful way of expressing oneself attractive. And when inner qualities compete drastically (positive side) with outer appearance, then who cares for these things. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=301
Coming back, I guess the discussion of kesh tying or not, turban significance are making sense, CC. | 
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