Are Brahmgyanis For Real?

sunsingh · #46 (**permalink**) 29-Apr-2010, 00:41 AM

For a real jagriti, let us look at what Guru ji teaches instead of interpreting Gurbani as we see fit. The word bhramgyani is not a title, although some mistakenly use it as such. It instead describes the internal spiritual state of the seeker.

The Satsangat is a garden, and if every once in a while this garden did not bear fruit, if some seeker did not achieve the goal of this path, then the garden would be a failure would it not?? The bhramgyani is the fruit of the garden of satsangat.
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There a series of posts on this blog which examine what Gurbani teaches about the word 'sant' and 'bhramgyani'. Please see the article series Role of Sants in the panth. Role of Sants Khojee

smiles · #47 (**permalink**) 05-May-2010, 17:55 PM

Lot of people are saying no need to do path.
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Udath bedath sovat jagat eh man tud chitarai...

Then ..suntai puneet kahtai pavit.. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says people who read or listen to path are bestowed by guru kirpa.

ALL of you guys are Loosers. who have no idea and take the short cut to say live like what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says and never mind doing any path.

Then someone said no one cheats death.. Sant baba Maha Harnaam Singh Bochon kala wale , guru of Sant Baba Nand singh ji Kalarena wale turned his sadaa two times and the third time Akal purkah told Sant ji not to do ulangana. Read the jeevani and people who were around this Brahmgyani sant ji. Have any one of you before posting infantile remarks do any search about real sants. I can tell I am dealing with people who are still at step 0 or at step 1.

If anyone hired someone to do waheguru waheguru for 8 hrs, I bet you that no one would, even if payment was promised at a good hourly rate. Aakhan akhaa sachaa nao.. this is the most difficult and this what Brahamgyanis do 12-18 hrs a day. Ask your local gurduwara giani to come to your house and ask him to do waheguru waheguru aloud for 8 hours straight.. you will see the result.

Simar simar simar sukh pavooh, kaal kalesh tan meh mitovoo. Listen to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji thru out and it always says one thing DO NAAM SIMRAN>>>>

No point posting any thing here any more.. you guys need to grow up.

smiles · #48 (**permalink**) 05-May-2010, 18:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gyani jarnail singh

its our haumaii that if we seek and we shall find...

gurbani already found it all for us and its open for us in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at all times day and night. Guru ji spent 250 years on this earth..to write down the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..of 1429 pages long...to make sure we all know exactly what is required of us..and we dont go "seeking" around like the blind looking for an extra door...soem more time..fact is no one will ever say..i am happy to go now..given swaas by you have expired..your hukm sir matheh. Every one wants a few more minutes..a few more days..a few more months..a few more years...when will it really stop ?? The fact is ghalleh ayeh nanaka saddeh uth jayeh..when he calls...you go....no excuses...no delays...no ifs and no buts...jeha cheeree likhayah.....its his wish..to cut the plant while green..seedling..fully grown..pakkiah hoyah..he is the farmer..its his crop.

The hukm razaee challnna is his hukm. Japji sahib.

so far none has been born who can turn off death permanently.

in fact the gurus by prime example showed us how to hukm razaee challnna...guru nanak ji sahib, guru amardass ji sahib..bhai buddha ji sahib...etc etc living to a ripe old age....guru ramdass ji..early departure..guru arjun ji shaheedee in a most horrible way..guru har kishan ji..very very early departure due to small pox, guru teg bahdur ji shaheedee..guru gobind singh ji a short life of just 40 years...departure due to stabbing by an enemy....whatever was his hukm...guru ji followed to the letter..no asking for "extra time"...a few hours more...six years more..six seconds more ...no. Just imagine if each of the ten gurus had lived for 80++ years lived by guru nanak ji and guru amardass ji....we would still be living in the gurgadee of a living sixth guru...guru hargobind ji..and still have another four gurus to go...????? But no..this is just fiction...fact is.... Death/place/time/method is fixed by his hukm...even the guru ji followed his hukm....and if his hukm was call at age 5..then guru harkishan ji obeyed.

Ramkali sadd is to teach us that lesson..and ramkali anand is to make us rejoice in his hukm. Both these banis are placed side by side in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji....sadd comes before anand !!! Meaning..when the sadd comes...rejoice that he has called you !!! Dont go begging for ..more time..please...it doesnt work that way.

why does Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says -- mirtak ko jeevalan har... That is the power of gurbani.... Yes Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has spelled it out but an average person can not decipher it that easily. If you are doing your research by taking guide from good tikka then u are on the right track.. If all you want to do is understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji first. It will take you life time just to use tikka, dictionaries to do this.. And the entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says .. Chetna hai to chet lai...

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #49 (**permalink**) 05-May-2010, 18:16 PM

No point posting any thing here any more.. you guys need to grow up.<<<<<<<<<<

IF Guru Nanak Ji was with that attitude..He wouldnt have set foot outside Nankanna Sahib.
NOT in a Single tuk of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does Guru ji say..such things....on the other hand Guru Ji continues to REPEAT and REPEAT and REPEAT...never saying..ENOUGH !! I have had it up to here..you guys are infantile..senile..at step 0..

Guru Ji went to Hardwaar...Mecca...Sri lanka..Himalayas..Tibet...Assam and Bengal....through forests and deserts..crossing huge rivers..and deep ravines..crossing lands infested with raging wild beasts.....TEACHING people who were WAY BELOW STEP 0.............................way................. ..below.................and that from a GURU who was.way.........................ABOVE............. .....sky high in steps !!!
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Read the description of a Brahmgyani in Sukhmani Sahib...does it look like a GROWLY MONSTER...NO..its the picture of SERENITY...CALMNESS...PEACE...Bhagat Pooran Singh types who have very special GARLANDS around their necks...unlike the FAKES who hanker after those Garlands of Maya/Notes/Pounds/Dollars/even mere Flowers !! BUT never the type of garland thta pooran singh wore his entire life....

:welc ome:

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #50 (**permalink**) 05-May-2010, 18:21 PM

BTW..THOUSANDS of people all over..do "paaths" for MONEY..they also Say WAHEGURU WAHEGURU...not only just for 8 hours..but for rein sabaiis and shobha yatras and akhand kiratn darbars..FOR POUNDS/DOLLARS/RUPEES !! The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/GURDWARAS/KIRTAN/ is a HUGE "EMPLOYER" for many hundred thousands....soem do it OPENLY..others HIDE BEHIND masks of divinity..(but accept money/honour/siropas). its not so simple..many layers under neath..like an ONION...

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #51 (**permalink**) 05-May-2010, 19:25 PM

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YES Jios. The Power of Gurbani does that...Breathe the power of LIFE into DEAD !!
But here the Mirtak is NOT a PHYSICALLY DEAD BODY....the Mirtak are those mentioned in Asa Dee Vaar...those who wear mughal pathani clothes..who forsook their mother tongue..the sacred sanskrit language of their gods/devtas for Farsee..Urdu..langauge of the invader..those who sya..Fitteh fitteh chounka sada fitteh...stay away dont defile our sacred kitchen.in the Daylight thye say..we are VEGETARIANS..we cant even stand the smell of meat.....BUT in the Silence and darkness of the NIGHT..devour even HUMANS..and eat "women" RAW !! Those who would open their mouths wide to receive the filth of the invader..those who refused to keep even a kitchen knife in the hosue becasue it was forbidden to non-muslims...those who gladly gifted their teenage virgin daughters, even newly married wives to the mughals..those who stopped wearing a turban as it was royal attire emant only for the invader ruling class..those who walked becasue it was forbidden to keep a horse except by a Muslim..etc etc...THOSE WHO WERE SPIRITUALLY DEAD FOR A THOUSAND YEARS.....
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GURBANI..via GURU NANAK JI...awoke these sleeping...the LIVING DEAD...during the FOUR WARS thta Guru hargobind Sahib ji fought..these halwais...sweetmeat makers, jalebi makers, farmers, labourers who had never even seen a knife..TOOK UP ARMS..rode Arabian Horses..and DEFEATED the Professional Mughal Soldiers of Shah Jehan !!

GURBANI has this POWER...mirtak kao jeewalan haar !! It had it..in 1469...1500..1699...1704/05...1918..1945..1947..1962..1965..1971..1984..and still has it and will have forever... Gurbani gave the sustainence to Guru Arjun ji to sit clamly on the Hot Plate..same Gurbani gave the POWER to Banda Singh to have the beating heart of hsi toddler son pushed into hsi mouth...his maas pulled away bit by biot by hot pincers..eyes gouged out..still saying WAHEGURU WAHEGURU...it was this pwoer in Bhai Taru Singh having his scalp removed.....HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of ZINDA SHAHEEDS..Baba Deep Singh..Baba Mani Singh cut form joint to joint...
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BUT as "PHYSICAL BODIES"...ALL these Singhs..are NO MORE with us on this EARTH. Because DEATH IS a FACT..a SACH....NO BODY DEFEATS PHYSICAL DEATH...NOBODY WHO EVER WAS BORN to a WOMAN....has ever LIVED..forever...NO ONE. PERIOD.
ALL that talk about "REFUSING" the sadda is a LIE..a Blatant LIE. IN the Bible also Jesus is said to have REVIVED the DEAD LAZAERUS...BUT even the 1.2 BILLION Christians with all their POWER CANNOT show a LIVING LAZARUS..not the USA with its world economy..not Great Britain with its Empire that never saw the setting sun...BUT that is not our buisiness..its their beleif...lets NOT bring down Gurbani to a level we are on...step 0 or 1 or 4 or 56 !! GURBANI is sadeevee sach..ETERNAL TRUTH..and eternal truth is..anyone BORN...DIES (eventually)..Time, Place, method determined by HIM...and HIM ALONE.

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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #53 (**permalink**) 06-May-2010, 15:32 PM

Absolutely ONLY FACTS and TRUTH. Nothing but the whole unadulterated TRUTH. Sach sunaisee SACH ki Bela...said Guru nanak Ji sahib...are we his SIKHS ready to accept eh TRUTH of GURBANI or we accept these FAKES and Charlatans who are robbing us blind.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30077
This Book..Santan de kautak by Sardar Sabhra is avilable in Punjabi .
These FAKE "Brahmgyanis/sants/babas/mahapurahs/sri 108's, sri 1008's etc etc " are LOOTERS and WEHLARRS who eat from the Kamaii of the Householders. They support DEH and Dehdharees and fake Gurudoms against the Eternal Shabad Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
GURU NANAK JI separated us form the DEH...the Gurus used NUMERALS instead of Names....Mehla Pehla.dooja teeja etc...and not even "GURU"..these FAKES attach such GRANDIOSE and HUGE STRINGS of TITLES....No wonder even a ordinary singer like Babauu Maan had to make the clarion call to us to WAKE UP and smell the coffee !! EK baba nanak See jisneh turkeh dunia gahtee...EK eh Faltu babeh see jihnanh ne lal batte gaddee te lah tee !! RED LIGHT on Car and Specila SECURITY means they speak the GOVT Language..language of Babar..malik Bhago..Aurengzeb....NOT bhai lalo..Bhai mardana or Guru nanak Ji. WE have to decide which way we go...towards the Malik Bhagos..or Bhai lalos...GURU NANAK JI stands beside Bhai LALO !!

seeker3k · #54 (**permalink**) 06-May-2010, 21:51 PM

Dear barfi ji

Thank you for the article it is of the best. You say there should be no judging.
When one of child is getting into bad things, we normally have a talk with him/her.
The child will take it as we are judging him/her. But we think we are doing our duty.
The real question is why lot of people are going to babbay? I think one reason is what they want is not getting in gurdwaras. Other reason is babbay promises to fix our problem that we have created by our self. In gurdawas the most bhai ji don’t have the idea of the problem the person is facing. Most of the problem is psychosomatic. Most of these problems go away in time. But we will give the credit to babbe.

When we say our religion is the best in the world, are we not judging other religion?
We become egoist when we put down other religion.
Babby do the simran for them self no one else. We we making them babby. If a man do the simran and get some didhi why we don’t do that? We don’t want to be bothers with the simran .All we want some one to solve our problem.

I see lot of judging going on here in this form. Do we not discuss the things that are corrupting the society or stay out? When thee so called babby own property and abuse public. Is it not our responsibility to speak out? Every one thinks his idea is best.
We can not live in dream world. Sooner or later we have to stand up and face the music.
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Just like Guru Gobind Singh did in 1669.

There is lot to learn from your article. Thanks again.

Seeker3k