Sehajdhari Sikh Federation! Comments, Please

harbansj24 · #21 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2010, 18:10 PM

Kanwardeep Singh ji,

Probably I have not used proper expressions. I do mean exactly the same thing as you are saying. That is Keshdhari Sikhs do not mind people who are Hindus by birth calling themselves as Sehajdhari Sikhs and in fact they are treated with respect and warmth
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/29484-sehajdhari-sikh-federation-comments-please.html

But they do resent Sikhs who were earlier Keshdharis and now have shed their Kesh but still insist on being called as Sikhs and wish to enjoy all the benefits of being a Sikh. I fully agree that this unprincipled and should be opposed.
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curious seeker · #22 (**permalink**) 15-Mar-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Dalbirk ji

We humans have nature to mold religions to suit ourself.Because ours is Young Religion that's why people have difficulty to accept sehajdhari form.
Prophet mohammed in one of Hadith's clearly said That he has no connection with people who shave their beards.Hijab is recommened in Quran.Still we see large percentage of muslims without Hijab and Beard .So in other word majority of muslims are sehajdhari muslims.It is just their leaders don't force community (barring Talibans ) to wear it.

At present hoping that 100% sikh community will keep uncut hair is like day dreaming.The more we force them the more people we loose to other carbon copy Dera's and religions.This will result in Final extinction of sikhism

Kanwardeep Singh, ji

That is precisely one of the points I wanted to raise, thanks!

Curious

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ballym · #23 (**permalink**) 08-Apr-2010, 15:29 PM

Sikhism will not be extinct. Some talibani "sikhs" will live somewhere, create trouble and we will face more rigorous checking on all airports.
Hopefully there will not be any support for them in general sikh polpulation.... like it happened in 1980 and nineties. When general population support was gone, the so called terrorism died.

curious seeker · #24 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 10:34 AM

Hello Every One

Any one care to give alternative translations of Sahajdhari? I have seen it translated as natural adopter, original adopter and innate adopter. and of course the often quoted slow adopter. I am not a little non-plussed, and will like to know your opinions on this, and why you hold them. Is there any relation to Sehaj?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=29484
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=29484

Blessings
Curious

Narayanjot Kaur · #25 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by curious seeker

Hello Every One

Any one care to give alternative translations of Sahajdhari? I have seen it translated as natural adopter, original adopter and innate adopter. and of course the often quoted slow adopter. I am not a little non-plussed, and will like to know your opinions on this, and why you hold them. Is there any relation to Sehaj?

Blessings
Curious

curious seeker ji

You are never going to get closure on this question. Literally the term means "slow" and "on a spiritual path" equaling someone who is taking the slow path to full acceptance of the Sikh roop (keeps hair and follow the tenets of Sikhism in their totality)

However, I found an article at Skhnet, which is in my opinion a good one, because it explores a variety of interpretations of the word "sehajdhari" in a scholarly fashion, citing the Sikh Gurdwara Act of 1925, and the Mahan Gosh, and other sources as well. I don't like to shoot from the hip, so I am more comfortable giving you a number of respected sources so you can weigh this for yourself.

SGPC sticks to old definition of Sehajdhari | SikhNet

curious seeker · #26 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 15:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Narayanjot Kaur

curious seeker ji

You are never going to get closure on this question. Literally the term means "slow" and "on a spiritual path" equaling someone who is taking the slow path to full acceptance of the Sikh roop (keeps hair and follow the tenets of Sikhism in their totality)

However, I found an article at Skhnet, which is in my opinion a good one, because it explores a variety of interpretations of the word "sehajdhari" in a scholarly fashion, citing the Sikh Gurdwara Act of 1925, and the Mahan Gosh, and other sources as well. I don't like to shoot from the hip, so I am more comfortable giving you a number of respected sources so you can weigh this for yourself.

SGPC sticks to old definition of Sehajdhari | SikhNet

Dear Narayanjot Ji

Thanks for the article , it does frame the issue, however, I am neither seeking 'closure' nor trying to string along an argument

If Shehajdhari and Sahajdhari are the same thing, which they seem to be since you spelled it Sehajdhari, then I am definitely puzzled. Because obviously the term sehaj which is in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not seem to mean slow but poised, balanced and/or intuitively balanced, as several different English translations and even the Spanish translation state.

So unless I have read you totally wrong, and missperceived the whole issue, it does seem that we have a difference in meaning between what the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says the Sehaj, and thus Sehajdhari, means and what the SGPC says it means. N'est ce pas?

Blessings
Curious

kds1980 · #27 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 17:30 PM

Dear curious seeker

The problem of accepting sehajdhari is not simple .Many things should be looked from practical point of view. In India there are more hindu's who visit Gurdwara's than sikhs.The question now is who are they?If SGPC or sikh instituitions accept them as sikhs then many of them will take benefits what are given to Sikhs and many may influence Gurdwara elections Yet in tougher times like 1984 many these will not stand by the sikhs

ballym · #28 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 20:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Many things should be looked from practical point of view. In India there are more hindu's who visit Gurdwara's than sikhs.The question now is who are they?If SGPC or sikh instituitions accept them as sikhs then many of them will take benefits what are given to Sikhs and many may influence Gurdwara elections Yet in tougher times like 1984 many these will not stand by the sikhs

It does not justify denying them the option. By this logic, only amritdhari will remain as sikhs. Physical identity can not and should not be basis of anything.
If someone is embracing the religion, he should be allowed entry. He can be a khalsa or a non-khalsa sikh.
Going by the lifestyle of Hindus in punjab, they are not much different from sikhs.
there are other means to identify genuineness of a sikh rather than physical identity... otherwise ashutosh and Joginder sahni should be termed true sikhs but not many others non-keshdhari. A true follower can NEVER say that one style is better than other. All are God's people.

kds1980 · #29 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 20:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ballym

It does not justify denying them the option. By this logic, only amritdhari will remain as sikhs. Physical identity can not and should not be basis of anything.
If someone is embracing the religion, he should be allowed entry. He can be a khalsa or a non-khalsa sikh.
Going by the lifestyle of Hindus in punjab, they are not much different from sikhs.
there are other means to identify genuineness of a sikh rather than physical identity... otherwise ashutosh and Joginder sahni should be termed true sikhs but not many others non-keshdhari. A true follower can NEVER say that one style is better than other. All are God's people.

If you want RSS and other hindu organisations to take over Sikhism and destroy the remaining sikhs then go ahead try this Idea.Ashutosh call himself living Guru so their is no question of him being a sikh.

Btw in all other religions their is a type of ceremony by which a person embrace that religion.I think for sehajdhari's we have to invent that ceremony
then they can become part of sikhism

ballym · #30 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2010, 21:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Btw in all other religions their is a type of ceremony by which a person embrace that religion.I think for sehajdhari's we have to invent that ceremony
then they can become part of sikhism

Great idea. After all a human need to have a defined boundary and a discipline to follow. No denying that.
But this discipline should not make people shun that path. Like a father being too strict and kids not following him at all. It does not lead to positive result.
Good practical solution.