Sehajdhari Sikh Federation! Comments, Please

Kanwardeep Ji ,
IMHO if we accept Roda ( clean shaven ) as a Sehajdhari then I feel Sikhs will be history in next 50 years . A study of Hinduism clearly tells that you do anything in the name of spirituality , you can still be called Hindu . The Muslims & Christians differ from Sikhism due to the fact that their Mecca & Vatican lie outside India , which chalk out various programmes & also these are much older religions . Sikhs have their SGPC , Golden Temple & all Gurudwaras in India as such they are affected by majority practices , politics like we have seen in Nanakshahi Calender , Sikhs visiting temples , Pirs , astrologers, practicising Castism , fasting , Graves & whole lot of other superstitions . In addition to Article 25 ( B) there are many hurdles in independent identity of Sikhs . The idea that it takes 30 minutes to tie beard & turban is not applicable to some like me who do these chores in average less than 5 minutes in daily routine which is much less time than consumed in shaving & gelling hair . So a SABAT SOORAT Sikh identity is our only hope for independent identity as well protection of our beliefs , practices , philosophy , ideology . Any compromise with this will bring us to near extinction not otherwise .

 
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Dalbirk ji

With due respect the present form sikhism is already a lost case.The backbone of any community live's in rural area and we all know that rural sikhs were the first one to discard identity.Then very strong pillar of community are women again
here we see how they are running with non sikh men .So whom we are trying to protect.Handful of urban sikhs allover India?
or the handful of sikhs outside India who suddenly rediscover their identity after doing all the worldly things

Kanwardeep Singh ji,

Probably I have not used proper expressions. I do mean exactly the same thing as you are saying. That is Keshdhari Sikhs do not mind people who are Hindus by birth calling themselves as Sehajdhari Sikhs and in fact they are treated with respect and warmth
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But they do resent Sikhs who were earlier Keshdharis and now have shed their Kesh but still insist on being called as Sikhs and wish to enjoy all the benefits of being a Sikh. I fully agree that this unprincipled and should be opposed.

Kanwardeep Singh, ji

That is precisely one of the points I wanted to raise, thanks!

Curious

PD I will be away from the PC for 4 0r 5 days

Sikhism will not be extinct. Some talibani "sikhs" will live somewhere, create trouble and we will face more rigorous checking on all airports.
Hopefully there will not be any support for them in general sikh polpulation.... like it happened in 1980 and nineties. When general population support was gone, the so called terrorism died.

Hello Every One

Any one care to give alternative translations of Sahajdhari? I have seen it translated as natural adopter, original adopter and innate adopter. and of course the often quoted slow adopter. I am not a little non-plussed, and will like to know your opinions on this, and why you hold them. Is there any relation to Sehaj?
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Blessings
Curious

curious seeker ji

You are never going to get closure on this question. Literally the term means "slow" and "on a spiritual path" equaling someone who is taking the slow path to full acceptance of the Sikh roop (keeps hair and follow the tenets of Sikhism in their totality)

However, I found an article at Skhnet, which is in my opinion a good one, because it explores a variety of interpretations of the word "sehajdhari" in a scholarly fashion, citing the Sikh Gurdwara Act of 1925, and the Mahan Gosh, and other sources as well. I don't like to shoot from the hip, so I am more comfortable giving you a number of respected sources so you can weigh this for yourself.

SGPC sticks to old definition of Sehajdhari | SikhNet

Dear Narayanjot Ji

Thanks for the article , it does frame the issue, however, I am neither seeking 'closure' nor trying to string along an argument If Shehajdhari and Sahajdhari are the same thing, which they seem to be since you spelled it Sehajdhari, then I am definitely puzzled. Because obviously the term sehaj which is in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not seem to mean slow but poised, balanced and/or intuitively balanced, as several different English translations and even the Spanish translation state.

So unless I have read you totally wrong, and missperceived the whole issue, it does seem that we have a difference in meaning between what the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says the Sehaj, and thus Sehajdhari, means and what the SGPC says it means. N'est ce pas?

Blessings
Curious

Dear curious seeker

The problem of accepting sehajdhari is not simple .Many things should be looked from practical point of view. In India there are more hindu's who visit Gurdwara's than sikhs.The question now is who are they?If SGPC or sikh instituitions accept them as sikhs then many of them will take benefits what are given to Sikhs and many may influence Gurdwara elections Yet in tougher times like 1984 many these will not stand by the sikhs