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Originally Posted by Sinister  why is it looking into the abyss?...this is where the fun starts. can free will be explained mathematically?
anywhere where the outcome of an action approaches a -->100% reliability of certain outcome is where free will does not exist. (these limitations are determined through repetitive experience)
according to this, only physical laws fall into the godly restrictions where free will cannot be applied.
if we have no conscious understanding of physical laws then we are truly free to chose...but then existence itself is not understandable.
that said: Free Will & Determinism
"Consciousness seems to be intimately and inescapably tied to the perception of the passage of time, and indeed, the idea that the past is fixed and perfectly deterministic, and that the future is unknowable. This fits well, because if the future were predetermined, then there'd be no free will, and no point in the perception of the passage of time."
considering we perceive the passage of time...free will exists. |
Hello Sinister! (Great handle BTW)
I don't know if you will read this, since time has passed since you posted, but I believe that you are right to an extent. First free will is a constant experience, we all know that before we do any thing we decide to do it, that is, we will it. We have freedom of what to do and not to do, etc. However free will IS limited.
Physical laws limits us, accidents of birth and health, limit us. The consequences of our actions (karma) and the actions of others, limit us. Society limits us, beliefs limit us, the very temporality and fragility of life, limits us and so on and so forth. We have no control over many things, in fact we have very little or no control over most of the truly large events of our lives.
But the apparent tension in Sikhism between free will, limited or not, and the Perfect Will Of God is, IMO; really a mirage, simply maya and semantics. GOD IS ... His will therefore IS. What IS, exists on account of God and His will Thus, if we have free will, (or anything else) is because of His Will. Thus HIS WILL is that we have limited Free Will.
But there is more! His will must be that we realize He IS, because, He has endowed with a critically thinking mind and curiosity, the thirst for TRUTH, and He IS TRUTH! Since we cannot even hope to understand fully the Transcendent Ek Ong Kaar, we can only EXPERIENCE the fact that He IS because He has pervaded, by His created act, His Naam (Name or Essence) into everything.
We can only experience the Naam if we put away falsehood , unreality, what IS not that is error, and ignorance in conception, and practice in regards to what is real. That is in regrds to Him. This, in my limited understanding, is what Sikhi call: Maya, illusion, false attachment, mirage, etc . In order to put away all these things, we must put our free will , our critical mind , our desires, hopes, all that we have acquired away from the Realization that He IS, under the Hukam, that is, under the command of His Perfect Will.
This allows us to control, not eliminate, free will, mind desire etc. It is then that we can start practicing to True Path, the Sikhi path and as we perfect this practice, we perfect our experience of the Naam and we can then be Truly Khalsa, pure, we can share the Divine Nectar and attain Liberation
This my very limited understanding of Sikhism and Fee Will. I am just a student a would be Sikh (In the sense of disciple) perhaps, but as I attempt reach even to that, I have to learn and understand far more.
May I be granted the Grace to achieve unto more understanding!
Curious
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