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my guru is sat guru baba ram singh ji giarmee wale but sri guru granth sahib ji is also my guru but baba ji showed me to guru granth sahib so hes my guru . In katha baba jis son who is also a saint said if you dont remember the guru , the guru doesnt mind but god does because the guru was the one who showed you to god in the first place. I know the tenth guru said Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the last guru but the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also says therese no difference between the saint sat guru and god
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Thanks for answering straight-up. I appreciate it. Though I still do not understand your/his tradition, as the concept of teacher/brahamgyani is different. We do not think of spiritual teachers as the same as "Guru."

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hes not just a spiritual teacher he is actual living sat guru pooron (complete) guru so he is my physical teacher but spiritual guru as well
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/28144-amrit-rass-in-sikhism.html
Thanks for the clarification -- is Sat Baba Ram Singh ji of the Namdhari panth? and the reason I am asking is that a few weeks back we were interested in posting more about Namdhari beliefs in a comprehensive way. Trying to get the focus away from the history to the current day experiences and realities of Namdhari people.
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no thats a different one hes from moga punjabg
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OK - Thanks. There is a Sat Baba Ram Singh in Auburn Canada. That is why I was asking.
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Biral ji,

Guru Fateh.

I was expecting a response from you regarding my questions. I hope you do that.

Thanks for sharing that you believe in a Deh Guru whom you call a saint "i asked my saint" ( your words).

It seems your dad believes in the same thing as well. "once the saint told my dad the path to god is really hard and long but you have basically met god". (your words).

If one has to " meet god" then this god is not omnipresent.Gurbani shows us Ik Ong Kaar's omnipresence in many verses of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We read it everyday during Nitnem. In Shabad Hazare, Guru Sahib says:

Merei Laal jio, Tera ant nah janhah. Tun jal, thulh maheehal, bhar pur leena, Tun apei sarab samanah.

My beloved Ik Ong Kaar, you are infinite and present both in organic and in inorganic form. You are the Creative Energy that is in all and everything.

Your explanation even gets better. You call your Saint- Deh Guru- Sat Guru, "hes not just a spiritual teacher he is actual living sat guru pooron (complete) guru so he is my physical teacher but spiritual guru as well".

Now, let me get back to your post to Gyani ji which started my response.

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you are completely wrong my friend go knee deep into the guru granth sahib and youll realize its actually physical very few people know about and fewer experience it why do u think it is translated to ambrosial nectar in english ambrosial means unexplainable taste
I think you should heed to this advice first before asking others to do it. If you had gone knee deep yourself in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU, then you would have found that our Gurus called SATGURU only to IK ONG KAAR. To no one else. They did not call each other Satgurus. They did not praise each other either nor did they give themselves any title. In fact they only gave themselves numbers.

The reason for this is that Sikhi is not about Me-ism which is cultivated a lot by many Sant Babas, Saints and others and most of them are charlatans and they come in dime a dozen.

Let us remind ourselves as often as possible that Sikhi is about the ONE that is in ALL, no exception and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our ONLY GURU.

So, what you practice is not Sikhi according to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU. There is nothing wrong with following other paths, faiths, people. Sikhi is not judgmental but while following some Sant Baba and calling it a Sikhi Marg is not only trying to insult our Gurus, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU, but also Sikhi itself.

However, do not worry,all these three are Nirmal. So your calling the path you have chosen, a Sikhi path can not blemish them but it says a lot more about you and your "Satguru".

This is one more brand of Snakeoil by someone one who loves to call himself Satguru and/or adores to be called as such, NOT Amrit Rass which Gurbani talks about in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU.

Enjoy your journey whichever it may be but it can not be called Sikhi no matter how much you try it.

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well thats ur opinion but guru granth sahib ji says there no difference between saint, guru and god and i never said im sikhi ...religion is made by humans Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says god has no religion no path is wrong but i believe in god and i take knowledge from sikhism hinduism Buddhism islam christianity scriptures and most ppl call themselves sikhs but trust me most of you aint i only know one and thats my dad who has true devotion and saints are true sikhs ....we are nothing i am nothing i ask god to bless with me just a drop of my dads devotion
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You forgot Judaism and Zoroastrianism and few others!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28144

When you started on this thread you invited comments like the ones Tejwant Ji gave. Many of us would have felt the same way as Tejwant Ji. I am not here defending him as he will do so, gallantly, himself, but when you write: “most ppl call themselves sikhs but trust me most of you aint i only know one and thats my dad who has true devotion and saints are true Sikhs”, you are ‘spitting venom’, you are overstepping your boundaries which merits an equally strong reply. Frankly, I found your comments insulting.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28144

Had you confined your comments to Tejwant ji only, I wouldn’t have bothered but your comments ‘most of you aint’ was particularly hurtful.

If you feel the way you do about your dad then what on earth are you doing here! Just stay focused on his illustrious feet. My excuse for being here is that I am an out and out devotee of Guru Nanak and his nine successors and the Essence of their Teachings in the form of Jagdi Jyot Guru Granth Sahib ji. Where ever there is talk of Nanak I am fully justified for being there – but what is your excuse? You have your Super Guru, your have your super guide in your dad – so why bother posting on this site – although I agree it is a free world – therefore, I hope you do not mind the free expression of my thoughts.

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