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View Poll Results: Why desire to end reincarnation?
To be united with the Creator. 10 71.43%
To leave the Creation. 1 7.14%
From what I've heard it sounds like the thing to do. 0 0%
Other. 3 21.43%
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kabeer preeth eik sio keeeae aan dhubidhhaa jaae ||
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥

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Please forgive me Lallihayer ji, but forum rules require the English as well as the Gurmukhi. Ozarks ji did not provide the translation either. however, the verse is in his signature line. Your point nonetheless is profound in the context of any discussion about reincarnation. Hope forum members will think about it. Narayanjot Kaur

ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
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kabeer preeth eik sio keeeae aan dhubidhhaa jaae ||
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

Offcourse Ozark jeo, our only & only aim is to unite with HIM, the Creator and nothing else. Creator is always greator than HIS Creation.
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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Baarah Maah, Raag Maajh, Ghar Chautha :

ਮੰਘਿਰਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਸੋਹੰਦੀਆ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਰ ਸੰਗਿ ਬੈਠੜੀਆਹ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਕਿਆ ਗਣੀ ਜਿ ਸਾਹਿਬਿ ਮੇਲੜੀਆਹ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਮਉਲਿਆ ਰਾਮ ਸਿਉ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਾਧ ਸਹੇਲੜੀਆਹ ਸਾਧ ਜਨਾ ਤੇ ਬਾਹਰੀ ਸੇ ਰਹਨਿ ਇਕੇਲੜੀਆਹ ਤਿਨ ਦੁਖੁ ਕਬਹੂ ਉਤਰੈ ਸੇ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਪੜੀਆਹ ਜਿਨੀ ਰਾਵਿਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਸੇ ਦਿਸਨਿ ਨਿਤ ਖੜੀਆਹ ਰਤਨ ਜਵੇਹਰ ਲਾਲ ਹਰਿ ਕੰਠਿ ਤਿਨਾ ਜੜੀਆਹ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਾਂਛੈ ਧੂੜਿ ਤਿਨ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਰਣੀ ਦਰਿ ਪੜੀਆਹ ਮੰਘਿਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਰਾਧਣਾ ਬਹੁੜਿ ਜਨਮੜੀਆਹ ॥੧੦॥
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Mangẖir māhi sohanḏī▫ā har pir sang baiṯẖ▫ṛī▫āh.Ŧin kī sobẖā ki▫ā gaṇī jė sāhib melṛī▫āh.Ŧan man ma▫oli▫ā rām si▫o sang sāḏẖ sahelṛī▫āh.Sāḏẖ janā ṯe bāhrī se rahan ikelaṛī▫āh.Ŧin ḏukẖ na kabhū uṯrai se jam kai vas paṛī▫āh.Jinī rāvi▫ā parabẖ āpṇā se ḏisan niṯ kẖaṛī▫āh.Raṯan javehar lāl har kanṯẖ ṯinā jaṛī▫āh.Nānak bāʼncẖẖai ḏẖūṛ ṯin parabẖ sarṇī ḏar paṛī▫āh.Mangẖir parabẖ ārāḏẖaṇā bahuṛ na janamṛī▫āh. ||10||


In Maghar beautiful are they who sit with their Beloved God.How can their glory be measured whom the Lord blends with Himself?The body and mind of those who have the companionship of saints bloom with the Pervading God.They, who are without the society of the pious persons, dwell all alone.Their pain never departs and they fall under the clutches of the death's minister.They, who have enjoyed their Lord, are ever seen standing in His service.Their neck is set with the jewels, emeralds and rubies of God's Name.Nanak desires the dust of the feet of those who fall for shelter at the Lord's door.They, who meditate on the Master in the month of Maghar are not born again.


ਮੰਘਿਰਿ = ਮੰਘਰ ਵਿਚ। ਮਾਹਿ = ਮਹੀਨੇ ਵਿਚ। ਪਿਰ ਸੰਗਿ = ਪਤੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ। ਕਿਆ ਗਣੀ = ਮੈਂ ਕੀਹ ਦੱਸਾਂ? ਬਿਆਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ। ਜਿ = ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ। ਸਾਹਿਬਿ = ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ। ਰਾਮ ਸਿਉ = ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨਾਲ। ਸਾਧ ਸਹੇਲੜੀਆਹ ਸੰਗਿ = ਸਤ ਸੰਗੀਆਂ ਨਾਲ। ਬਾਹਰੀ = ਬਿਨਾ। ਤੇ = ਤੋਂ। ਦਿਸਹਿ = ਦਿੱਸਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਖੜੀਆਹ = ਸਾਵਧਾਨ, ਸੁਚੇਤ। ਕੰਠਿ = ਗਲ ਵਿਚ (ਭਾਵ, ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ)। ਬਾਂਛੈ = ਮੰਗਦਾ ਹੈ। ਦਰਿ = ਦਰ ਉਤੇ। ਬਹੁੜਿ = ਮੁੜ, ਫਿਰ।੧੦।

ਮੱਘਰ (ਦੇ ਠੰਢੇ-ਮਿੱਠੇ) ਮਹੀਨੇ ਵਿਚ ਉਹ ਜੀਵ-ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਸੋਹਣੀਆਂ ਲੱਗਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਹਰੀ-ਪਤੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਬੈਠੀਆਂ ਹੁੰਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਲਕ-ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲਾ ਲਿਆ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਬਿਆਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ। ਸਤ-ਸੰਗੀ ਸਹੇਲੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ (ਚਿੱਤ ਜੋੜ ਕੇ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਸਰੀਰ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਮਨ ਸਦਾ ਖਿੜਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਜੇਹੜੀਆਂ ਜੀਵ-ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਸਤਸੰਗੀਆਂ (ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ) ਤੋਂ ਵਾਂਜੀਆਂ ਰਹਿੰਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ, ਉਹ ਇਕੱਲੀਆਂ (ਛੁੱਟੜ) ਹੀ ਰਹਿੰਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ (ਜਿਵੇਂ ਸੜੇ ਹੋਏ ਤਿਲਾਂ ਦਾ ਬੂਟਾ ਪੈਲੀ ਵਿਚ ਨਿਖਸਮਾ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਕੱਲੀ ਨਿਖਸਮੀ ਜਿੰਦ ਨੂੰ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਕਾਮਾਦਿਕ ਕਈ ਵੈਰੀ ਆ ਕੇ ਘੇਰ ਲੈਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਤੇ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਉਪਜਿਆ) ਦੁੱਖ ਕਦੇ ਲਹਿੰਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ, ਉਹ ਜਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਵੱਸ ਪਈਆਂ ਰਹਿੰਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਜੀਵ-ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਪਤੀ-ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਸਾਥ ਮਾਣਿਆ ਹੈ, ਉਹ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਹੱਲੇ ਵਲੋਂ) ਸਦਾ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਦਿੱਸਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ (ਵਿਕਾਰ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਉਤੇ ਚੋਟ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਗੁਣਾਨੁਵਾਦ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰੋਤੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਜਿਵੇਂ ਹੀਰੇ ਜਵਾਹਰ ਤੇ ਲਾਲਾਂ ਦਾ ਗਲ ਵਿਚ ਪਾਇਆ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਨਾਨਕ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਸਤਸੰਗੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਧੂੜ ਮੰਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਦਰ ਤੇ ਪਏ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਮੱਘਰ ਵਿਚ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀਤਿਆਂ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦਾ ਗੇੜ ਨਹੀਂ ਵਾਪਰਦਾ।੧੦।

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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

Thanks Kiram ji..for yet another flight into sheer Bliss...among all the mundane argumentative posts...
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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

Bhai Vir Singh ji says that natural aim of any soul is to unite with the Infinite Creator. But only a pure soul bereft of any dark spots can submerge into the Infinite.

Naam Simran is the process of cleansing the soul. As the soul gets cleansed, a strange sense of pure joy or Chardi Kalan starts enveloping the person. Of coarse we being ordinary mortals do tend to slide back but Naam again puts one back on the track. It is a case of two steps forward and one step backward. It is a continuos process which ends only when the soul is completely cleansed. When the soul is completely cleansed, the persom becomes "Jeevan Mukat" or he has merged himself with the Supreme Being in his life time. It is not necessary to die to attain the merger.

We do not have to know, bother or worry about our past Karams or Births because we will not be able to know or understand it. Our aim in the present birth is only attain unity with Him by cleansing the soul completely.
There is no such thing as being punished or rewarded for the past karams in another janam. The aim is only to attain purity of soul.
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I am unable to replicate here the wondrous process as described by Bhai Vir Singh ji. This has to be read and savoured or listened from a blessed person to have an impact.


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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

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Naam Simran is the process of cleansing the soul. As the soul gets cleansed, a strange sense of pure joy or Chardi Kalan starts enveloping the person.
Harbansj24 Ji,
I find this portion of your reply quite interesting. Last week there was a day that I felt, well for lack of better words; ridiculously joyful/happy. I say "ridiculous" because there was not clear reason for the mood/feeling. A desire to smile, a true contentment and peace. Very much not like me most days, especially on a Monday/work day. The feeling was still there the next day, but perhaps a little subdued and then a little more so the next until "back to normal". The only thing I could think of to "blame it on" was a realization I had that weekend about the infinite compassion and patience of the Creator. It was very nice and fairly uncharacteristic. A co-worker even commented.
I just thought I'd share.
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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

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Thanks Kiram ji..for yet another flight into sheer Bliss...among all the mundane argumentative posts...
Fateh Gyani Ji, there is so much Guru Maharaj has blessed us all with through every Shabad ji.. Here is another beautiful Shabad ji that am very fond of :

Guru Ram Das Ji in Raag Gujree :

ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਜਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਤਪੁਰਖਾ ਬਿਨਉ ਕਰਉ ਗੁਰ ਪਾਸਿ ਹਮ ਕੀਰੇ ਕਿਰਮ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਕਰਿ ਦਇਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ ॥੧॥


Rāg gūjrī mėhlā 4.Har ke jan saṯgur saṯpurkẖā bina▫o kara▫o gur pās.Ham kīre kiram saṯgur sarṇā▫ī kar ḏa▫i▫ā nām pargās. ||1||


Gujri Measure, Fourth Guru.O my Great Sat Guru, the accepted one of the Lord and the True Person, I make a supplication before Thee.I, an insect and a worm, have sought Thy shelter, mercifully bestow on me the light of God's Name, O True Guru!


ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਜਨ = ਹੇ ਹਰੀ ਦੇ ਸੇਵਕ! ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ = ਹੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ! ਸਤ ਪੁਰਖਾ = ਹੇ ਮਹਾ ਪੁਰਖ ਗੁਰੂ! ਬਿਨਉ = {विनय} ਬੇਨਤੀ। ਕਰਉ = ਕਰਉਂ, ਮੈਂ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ। ਗੁਰ ਪਾਸਿ = ਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ! ਤੇਰੇ ਪਾਸ। ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਾਈ = ਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ! ਤੇਰੀ ਸਰਨ। ਕੀਰੇ ਕਿਰਮ = ਨਿਮਾਣੇ ਦੀਨ ਜੀਵ। ਪਰਗਾਸਿ = ਪਰਗਟ ਕਰ, ਚਾਨਣ ਕਰ।੧।

ਹੇ ਮਹਾਪੁਰਖ ਗੁਰੂ! ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਭਗਤ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ! ਮੈਂ, ਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ! ਤੇਰੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ-ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ (ਮੇਰੇ ਅੰਦਰ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ-ਚਾਨਣ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰ। ਹੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ! ਮੈਂ ਨਿਮਾਣਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਰਨ ਆਇਆ ਹਾਂ।੧।

ਮੇਰੇ ਮੀਤ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਸਖਾਈ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਹਮਰੀ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ


Mere mīṯ gurḏev mo ka▫o rām nām pargās.Gurmaṯ nām merā parān sakẖā▫ī har kīraṯ hamrī rahrās. ||1|| rahā▫o.


O My friend, the bright Guru! Illumine me with the Name of the Omnipresent Lord.The Name revealed to me by Guru's instruction is the friend of my very life and God's praise is my life's vocation. Pause.


ਮੋ ਕਉ = ਮੈਨੂੰ, ਮੇਰੇ ਅੰਦਰ। ਮੀਤ = ਹੇ ਮਿੱਤਰ! ਗੁਰਮਤਿ = ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਮਤਿ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ (ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ)। ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਸਖਾਈ = ਜਿੰਦ ਦਾ ਸਾਥੀ। ਕੀਰਤਿ = ਸੋਭਾ, ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ। ਰਹਰਾਸਿ = ਰਾਹ ਦੀ ਰਾਸਿ, ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ਰ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਖ਼ਰਚੀ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।

ਹੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਿੱਤਰ ਗੁਰੂ! ਮੈਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ-ਚਾਨਣ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼। ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਦੱਸੀ ਮਤਿ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਿੰਦ ਦਾ ਸਾਥੀ (ਬਣਿਆ ਰਹੇ), ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਮੇਰੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ਰ ਲਈ ਰਾਸਿ-ਪੂੰਜੀ ਬਣੀ ਰਹੇ।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।

ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਕੇ ਵਡ ਭਾਗ ਵਡੇਰੇ ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਰਧਾ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਆਸ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਸਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਗੁਣ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ ॥੨॥


Har jan ke vad bẖāg vadere jin har har sarḏẖā har pi▫ās.Har har nām milai ṯaripṯāsahi mil sangaṯ guṇ pargās. ||2||


The greatest good fortune is of the people of God who have faith in the Lord Master and thirst for God.By obtaining the Name of the Lord God they are satiated and by meeting the society of saints their virtues shine forth.


ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਸਹਿ = ਰੱਜ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ। ਮਿਲਿ = ਮਿਲ ਕੇ।੨।

ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਸੇਵਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਬੜੇ ਉੱਚੇ ਭਾਗ ਹਨ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਸਰਧਾ ਹੈ, ਖਿੱਚ ਹੈ। ਜਦੋਂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ (ਮਾਇਆ ਦੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਵਲੋਂ) ਰੱਜ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ (ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਭਲੇ) ਗੁਣ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ।੨।

ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਹੀਣ ਜਮ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਏ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵੇ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਾਸਿ ॥੩॥


Jin har har har ras nām na pā▫i▫ā ṯe bẖāghīṇ jam pās.Jo saṯgur saraṇ sangaṯ nahī ā▫e ḏẖarig jīve ḏẖarig jīvās. ||3||


They who have not gained God, God's elixir and God's Name are unfortunate and are near (handed over to) the minister of death.Fie on the life and accursed the hope of living of those who have not sought the society and protection of the Sat Guru.


ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵੇ = ਲਾਹਨਤ ਹੈ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਜੀਵੇ ਨੂੰ।੩।

ਪਰ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਸੁਆਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਇਆ, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲਿਆ, ਉਹ ਬਦ-ਕਿਸਮਤ ਹਨ, ਉਹ ਜਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਵੱਸ (ਪਏ ਹੋਏ ਸਮਝੋ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਿਰ ਉਤੇ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ)। ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਉਂਦੇ, ਜੋ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਬੈਠਦੇ, ਲਾਹਨਤ ਹੈ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਜੀਊਣ ਨੂੰ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਜੀਊਣਾ ਫਿਟਕਾਰ-ਜੋਗ ਹੈ।੩।

ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ਤਿਨ ਧੁਰਿ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਲਿਖਾਸਿ ਧਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਜਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ ॥੪॥੪॥


Jin har jan saṯgur sangaṯ pā▫ī ṯin ḏẖur masṯak likẖi▫ā likẖās.Ḏẖan ḏẖan saṯsangaṯ jiṯ har ras pā▫i▫ā mil jan Nānak nām pargās. ||4||4||


The men of God, who have obtained the society of the True Guru, they have, on their fore-heads the pro-ordained writ.Blest, blest is the saints congregation from where God's elixir is procured. By meeting God's own, O Nanak! manifest becomes Lord's Name.


ਧੁਰਿ = ਧੁਰ ਤੋਂ, ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਵਲੋਂ। ਮਸਤਕਿ = ਮੱਥੇ ਉੱਤੇ। ਲਿਖਾਸਿ = ਲੇਖ {ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਜੀਵਾਸਿ' ਅਤੇ 'ਲਿਖਾਸਿ' ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਜੀਵੇ' ਅਤੇ 'ਲੇਖ' ਤੋਂ ਬਦਲੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਤੁਕਾਂਤ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ}। ਜਿਤੁ = ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ, ਜਿਸ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ। ਮਿਲਿ ਜਨ = ਜਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ, ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਸੇਵਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ।੪।

ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਸੇਵਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠਣਾ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ, (ਸਮਝੋ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੱਥੇ ਉਤੇ ਧੁਰੋਂ ਹੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਲੇਖ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਧੰਨ ਹੈ ਸਤਸੰਗ! ਧੰਨ ਹੈ ਸਤਸੰਗ! ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ (ਬੈਠਿਆਂ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਆਨੰਦ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਥੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਿਆਂ (ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ) ਨਾਮ ਆ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ।੪।੪।


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Re: Why desire to end reincarnation?

To me, this says it all

ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਹੀਣ ਜਮ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਏ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵੇ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਾਸਿ ॥੩॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26496
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Jin har har har ras nām na pā▫i▫ā ṯe bẖāghīṇ jam pās.Jo saṯgur saraṇ sangaṯ nahī ā▫e ḏẖarig jīve ḏẖarig jīvās. ||3||


They who have not gained God, God's elixir and God's Name are unfortunate and are near (handed over to) the minister of death.Fie on the life and accursed the hope of living of those who have not sought the society and protection of the Sat Guru.
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Kiram ji:
Can you help me understand the following passage.
"In Maghar beautiful are they who sit with their Beloved God.How can their glory be measured whom the Lord blends with Himself?The body and mind of those who have the companionship of saints bloom with the Pervading God.They, who are without the society of the pious persons, dwell all alone.Their pain never departs and they fall under the clutches of the death's minister.They, who have enjoyed their Lord, are ever seen standing in His service.Their neck is set with the jewels, emeralds and rubies of God's Name.Nanak desires the dust of the feet of those who fall for shelter at the Lord's door.They, who meditate on the Master in the month of Maghar are not born again."
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It begins describing a person who is pious ( have the companionship of saints ) and has long served God ( are ever seen standing in His service ). Is it then after this spiritual journey that he is then freed from rebirth?
Is that last sentence a metaphor for the final stage of life? Finally is this portion ( Their pain never departs and they fall under the clutches of the death's minister ) to mean they are to be reborn?

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