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| | | | | Writing Vaheguru... 51 thousand times or One Lakh? The Bhai Guriqbal Singh Group of the Kaulaan Trust has a new initiative in place....caalled the...." 300 saal bhagtee likhan de naal"..on the lines of 300 saal GURU de naal....to encourage students of Schools and Colleges throughout Punjab to submit WRITTEN Copy Books with...51 Thousand Vaheguru....or 100,000 Vaheguru..in order to win Gold/Silver/Bronze Medals and other "recognition".
This initiative is ongoing in Punjab...First Such Recognition Samagam was held in SULTANPUR LODHI yesterday whereby thousands of students from schools and colleges around the Kapurthala District submitted tyheir Copy-Books or Registers or loose A4 sheets of paper filled with lines and lines of VAHEGURU....the Organsiers had a tough time counting and making sure each one had the right number of Vaheguru written as claimed ..one Deaf and Dumb Girl had written 1 LAKH Vahegurus... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/26184-writing-vaheguru-51-thousand-times-one.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
Copy books form Amritsar Sector are also being collected...
IMHO..a COMPLETE WASTE OF PRECIOUS PAPER...poor students can hardly afford copy books for ordinary school work...and A4 papers are so rare because its expensive in "paper short" Punjab....WHAT PURPOSE is erved by this ?? absolutley NOTHING...Except a New GIMMICK by vested interests...
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09-Aug-2009, 07:52 AM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? truly a gimmick | | The following member appreciates Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Aug-2009, 09:12 AM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? One may scribble VAHEGURU, millions of times. It will do nothing but may give the person carpal tunnel syndrome besides killing many many trees to make the paper.
It seems the organisers of this who are training the people more about me-ism by giving medals for the most scribbles, should help them learn the tools given to us in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU.
Now, after this thoughtless action has been taken, the organisers should help these kids to plant the same number of trees as the numbers of scribbles on the sheets of paper.
In some of the Sikh camps that are held here in the US, I have seen kids with the counters in their hands which they press every time, they utter VAHEGURU, one more health hazard and thoughtless process.
Guru Nanak Dev ji warns us about this parroting and thoughtless actions. He teaches us that any words written or spoken mean nothing without actions. Otherwise, He says, in the following lines that if parroting were true, then even the ants would have the desire to have the wings and fly to the skies. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
That is what I understand from the Pauri number 32 of Jap ji.
Ik du jeebon Lakh hoei, Lakh hoveh Lakh vees.
Lakh,Lakh gherah akhieyei, EK Naam JAGDEES.
Eiet rah pat pavreieh, charieih hoei ikees.
Sunh galan akkas kee, kita ayees rees
Nanak nadri payeeie koori kooreh thdeese ||32||
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09-Aug-2009, 10:11 AM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? Tejwant ji
Truly planting trees, an organized outreach program with hundreds of children sponsored to plant trees, each year -- that would be huge. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
The writing and chanting of this and that was probably selected because of the idea of sending a massive vibration through the universe from all the combined efforts of devotes. Sort of like a "cone of power." This is a shamanistic concept-- to have a large number of people joining forces to chant (in this case write) the same syllables over and over within a specified period of time. The vibration is then concentrated within a narrow span of time and that makes its "potential" energy much stronger. In a word - POOJA.
Sorry if any should find my words offensive, but it is POOJA! It assumes that Waheguru needs the booster shot of vibratory energy in order to notice. Waheguru might be too inept to respond to weak signals and scattered particles and diffused waves. We can't take any chances. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184 P/S - Now that I have been bold and have written this -- you know that I am going to get a big kick in my email for having a negative attitude ...never fails. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Aug-2009, 15:40 PM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? The ONLY baba planting trees and cleaning up rivers is nirmala saadh baba Balbir Seechewaal..( there may be one or two more who i havent heard about..BUT seechewaals work i have personally seen and evaluated)..all the rest are busy destroying whatever historical heritage left to make marble Gurdwaras (personally owned) | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
09-Aug-2009, 21:47 PM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? I have read about him and his work. And you know what HE IS ALWAYS BEING CRITICIZED AS AN IMPOSTER! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
The more things change the more they stay the same -- but here is where we could go public with our own form of media advocacy to promote the positive and the engaged Sikhism that Nanak was talking about. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
I am making a list. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
10-Aug-2009, 07:19 AM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? Narayanjot Kaur Jio, gurfateh.
Yes you are right ji. We must have our own standards as we are a media in our own right.
There are many things wrong with this Baba Seechewaal..BUT whatever he is doing RIGHT has to be acknowledged. My point is..Accept what is RIGHT as per Gurmatt and reject what is manmatt. As easy as that.
1. He tried to Force his way through on the river cleaning project - i met with poor farmers who own small plots of land on the riversides of Kali vein ( YES its Kali vein BLACK VEIN River..and beleive me..the water is Pitch Black)..and THOSE are their livelihood...the Babs "goondas" beat up these poor villagers to force them to give up a 20 metre strip for the Baba to plant trees...I met one such farmer..his 4 acres land has the River surround it in a tight LOOP..so IF he gives up 20 metres he loses HALF his land..for FREE !! (sewa said the babas men..how can SEWA be forced ?? Will SEWA feed my family ?? He was beaten up in a demonstration..so such things do happen..its so easy to see the BIG PICTURE for someone far away..but to him whose livelihood is in danger..all he can see is his family starving !!..SO the Baba went on to do his environmental work elsewhere..and he succeeded..KUDOS..the River Banks are a JOY to visit..the stretch of River near his DERA is clean as a whistle..people boating..on it..ALL PLUS POINTS....in the Babas favour...so lets HIGHLIGHT THOSE. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
10-Aug-2009, 07:54 AM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? What happened to the villagers after that. The same kind of dilemma is happening in South America. The rain forests are being destroyed, but clearing the rain forests opens up agricultural lands for peasants and provides jobs for others in related industries. This is always a problem. | 
10-Aug-2009, 12:45 PM
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| | | | | Re: Writing Vaheguru....51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh ?? Status Quo....the river is black from soil sliding down into it from the banks...so the ideal situation is to DEEPEN and Concrete the River with Precast shells ( like they do in malaysia) and this will make the river itself give up land on its banks..which cna then be planted with trees..the village average landholdings are too small to be further divided..so even IF the 20 metre pattrree (bank) is Paid for..the remainder is too small to do farming....IF the Bab buys it all..then what livelihood for the faarmer ? a chickena nd egg sitaution seems. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
Anyway the Baba was successful in DIVERTING Raw sewage and village waters from flowing into the river - again the Big town Corp like Jullender kapurthala etc are harder to"convince" while small villages can be arm twisted..according to the baba from what he told me on y last viist..many villages are cooperating..only way is to dig large holding ponds in the villages to hold this dirty water and only let it flow into the river after it has settled/cleansed itself thru nature..again due to land shortage..whereby such large PONDS did exist in each village..they were grabbed by land mafia/vested interets, and filled up and are now farming land..so difficult to get more land for ponds.. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26184
I see great potentila as the baba is deeply interested in his pet projects..and not so deep into building up his dera or marble gurdwaas for goluck only..so there is hope..the Vein River beautification, Sultanpur beautification projects are proceeding rather well..I have been invited again this year to see for myself... | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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