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Tejwant ji =

You are most kind, but we both know that I have no wisdom. Anything wise that I seem to come up with is really from Her/Him, most properly It. The nonsense, of course, is mine.
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For what it's worth, I had quite an adventure while dead and really didn't want to come back. Akaal Purakh, however, does not consult me and here I am.

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Tejwnat Ji and Harinder Ji, Gurfateh. Jis ka SAHIB Dhaddah hoeah..tis ko maar na skeh koi is so true. The Young friend/student/of mine that died recently of cancer at the age of just 17 had to go through chemeotherapy etc..which caused her KESH to fall off. To her this was the most painful thing to bear...she always wondered if she would have to go without her Kesh..so when the Doctors finally gave up and gave her a few months to live..she stopped all chemeo and drugs immediately so her KESH would grow back...and they sure did...she died with her full KESH intact...she endured tremendous pyhsical PAIN due to not taking the drugs/pain killers morphine etc..for the joy of having her KESH back.. YES..until and unless HE decides..we stop breathing..no one can do that !!
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Mai Ji, Gurfateh.
TeJi is right. You may not be aware of your own "wisdom"..we are..simply because we benefit from it..he he he. So keep the wisdom flowing freely jios...although we too know the Fountain of Real wisdom is..HE the One and Only ONE..EK Oangkar.
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Gyani Jarnail Singh,

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Jis ka SAHIB Dhaddah hoeah..tis ko maar na skeh koi is so true. The Young friend/student/of mine that died recently of cancer at the age of just 17 had to go through chemeotherapy etc..which caused her KESH to fall off. To her this was the most painful thing to bear...she always wondered if she would have to go without her Kesh..so when the Doctors finally gave up and gave her a few months to live..she stopped all chemeo and drugs immediately so her KESH would grow back...and they sure did...she died with her full KESH intact...she endured tremendous pyhsical PAIN due to not taking the drugs/pain killers morphine etc..for the joy of having her KESH back.. YES..until and unless HE decides..we stop breathing..no one can do that !!
What a beautiful true story! Of course, any woman (and most men!) would be hurt by the loss of their hair, but for a Sikh woman (and a keshdhari Sikh man!) it is devastating. This is not vanity, well, not just vanity. Kesh is precious in a way that, I think, a nonSikh can't understand. People around me simply couldn't understand why the loss of my hair disturbed me more than being unable to walk, unable to talk, unable to drink water and unable to eat without choking. Even after I could talk, I was completely unable to explain so they would understand. I often heard, "They had to ruin your hair to save your life. What is more important, your silly hair or your life?" (They don't understand the difference between their "hair" and my "kesh".) Any interesting question. My husband and son and the others made that choice and now they are shaheeds. The issue of my kesh after the stroke, of course, was no where near as noble, still I wonder. I was dead when they used the defibrillator on me and had no say in the matter. I wonder if I had been able to make that decision myself, which decision would I have made? I think I know, but I can't be sure.

My situation was nowhere near as bad as this young lady. Chemo leaves you BALD! What was left of my kesh was dull and lifeless and broken and short, but it was there. I salute her courage. Truthfully, death no longer frightens me. You know, been there, done that. Pain does frighten me. Pain can be almost unendurable! There are days when the arthritis is so bad that I can hardly hobble to the bathroom; however that is minor compared to the pain of terminal cancer. Her courage gives me courage.

And I reiterate, any "wisdom" I seem to have is not from me. I am a simple, fat, Sikh woman of 57 who has lived an interesting life. Nothing more.

Now, can we please get back to ShabadGuru? (From the ridiculous to the sublime.)

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ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
सिरीरागु महला १ ॥
Sirīrāg mėhlā 1.
Siree Raag, First Mehl:

ਮਨਿ ਜੂਠੈ ਤਨਿ ਜੂਠਿ ਹੈ ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜੂਠੀ ਹੋਇ ॥
मनि जूठै तनि जूठि है जिहवा जूठी होइ ॥
Man jūṯẖai ṯan jūṯẖ hai jihvā jūṯẖī ho▫e.
If the mind is polluted, then the body is polluted, and the tongue is polluted as well.


ਮੁਖਿ ਝੂਠੈ ਝੂਠੁ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਸੂਚਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
मुखि झूठै झूठु बोलणा किउ करि सूचा होइ ॥
Mukẖ jẖūṯẖai jẖūṯẖ bolṇā ki▫o kar sūcẖā ho▫e.
With false mouths, people speak falsehood. How can they be made pure?

ਬਿਨੁ ਅਭ ਸਬਦ ਨ ਮਾਂਜੀਐ ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਸਚੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥
बिनु अभ सबद न मांजीऐ साचे ते सचु होइ ॥१॥
Bin abẖ sabaḏ na māʼnjī▫ai sācẖe ṯe sacẖ ho▫e. ||1||
Without the Holy Water of the Shabad, they are not cleansed. From the True One alone comes Truth. ||1||

ਮੁੰਧੇ ਗੁਣਹੀਣੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਕੇਹਿ ॥
मुंधे गुणहीणी सुखु केहि ॥
Munḏẖe guṇhīṇī sukẖ kehi.
O soul-bride, without virtue, what happiness can there be?

ਪਿਰੁ ਰਲੀਆ ਰਸਿ ਮਾਣਸੀ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਨੇਹਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
पिरु रलीआ रसि माणसी साचि सबदि सुखु नेहि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Pir ralī▫ā ras māṇsī sācẖ sabaḏ sukẖ nehi. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The Husband Lord enjoys her with pleasure and delight; she is at peace in the love of the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||

ਪਿਰੁ ਪਰਦੇਸੀ ਜੇ ਥੀਐ ਧਨ ਵਾਂਢੀ ਝੂਰੇਇ ॥
पिरु परदेसी जे थीऐ धन वांढी झूरेइ ॥
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Pir parḏesī je thī▫ai ḏẖan vāʼndẖī jūre▫e.
When the Husband goes away, the bride suffers in the pain of separation,

ਜਿਉ ਜਲਿ ਥੋੜੈ ਮਛੁਲੀ ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਵ ਕਰੇਇ ॥
जिउ जलि थोड़ै मछुली करण पलाव करेइ ॥
Ji▫o jal thoṛai macẖẖulī karaṇ palāv kare▫i.
like the fish in shallow water, crying for mercy.

ਪਿਰ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਜਾ ਆਪੇ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥੨॥
पिर भावै सुखु पाईऐ जा आपे नदरि करेइ ॥२॥
Pir bẖāvai sukẖ pā▫ī▫ai jā āpe naḏar kare▫i. ||2||
As it pleases the Will of the Husband Lord, peace is obtained, when He Himself casts His Glance of Grace. ||2||

ਪਿਰੁ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਆਪਣਾ ਸਖੀ ਸਹੇਲੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
पिरु सालाही आपणा सखी सहेली नालि ॥
Pir sālāhī āpṇā sakẖī sahelī nāl.
Praise your Husband Lord, together with your bridesmaids and friends.

ਤਨਿ ਸੋਹੈ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਰਤੀ ਰੰਗਿ ਨਿਹਾਲਿ ॥
तनि सोहै मनु मोहिआ रती रंगि निहालि ॥
Ŧan sohai man mohi▫ā raṯī rang nihāl.
The body is beautified, and the mind is fascinated. Imbued with His Love, we are enraptured.

ਸਬਦਿ ਸਵਾਰੀ ਸੋਹਣੀ ਪਿਰੁ ਰਾਵੇ ਗੁਣ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੩॥
सबदि सवारी सोहणी पिरु रावे गुण नालि ॥३॥
Sabaḏ savārī sohṇī pir rāve guṇ nāl. ||3||
Adorned with the Shabad, the beautiful bride enjoys her Husband with virtue. ||3||

ਕਾਮਣਿ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਖੋਟੀ ਅਵਗਣਿਆਰਿ ॥
कामणि कामि न आवई खोटी अवगणिआरि ॥
Kāmaṇ kām na āvī kẖotī avgaṇi▫ār.
The soul-bride is of no use at all, if she is evil and without virtue.

ਨਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਪੇਈਐ ਸਾਹੁਰੈ ਝੂਠਿ ਜਲੀ ਵੇਕਾਰਿ ॥
ना सुखु पेईऐ साहुरै झूठि जली वेकारि ॥
Nā sukẖ pe▫ī▫ai sāhurai jẖūṯẖ jalī vekār.
She does not find peace in this world or the next; she burns in falsehood and corruption.

ਆਵਣੁ ਵੰਞਣੁ ਡਾਖੜੋ ਛੋਡੀ ਕੰਤਿ ਵਿਸਾਰਿ ॥੪॥
आवणु वंञणु डाखड़ो छोडी कंति विसारि ॥४॥
Āvaṇ vañaṇ dākẖ▫ṛo cẖẖodī kanṯ visār. ||4||
Coming and going are very difficult for that bride who is abandoned and forgotten by her Husband Lord. ||4||

ਪਿਰ ਕੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਸੁਹਾਵਣੀ ਮੁਤੀ ਸੋ ਕਿਤੁ ਸਾਦਿ ॥
पिर की नारि सुहावणी मुती सो कितु सादि ॥
Pir kī nār suhāvaṇī muṯī so kiṯ sāḏ.
The beautiful soul-bride of the Husband Lord-by what sensual pleasures has she been doomed?

ਪਿਰ ਕੈ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਬੋਲੇ ਫਾਦਿਲੁ ਬਾਦਿ ॥
पिर कै कामि न आवई बोले फादिलु बादि ॥
Pir kai kām na āvī bole fāḏil bāḏ.
She is of no use to her Husband if she babbles in useless arguments.

ਦਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਢੋਈ ਨਾ ਲਹੈ ਛੂਟੀ ਦੂਜੈ ਸਾਦਿ ॥੫॥
दरि घरि ढोई ना लहै छूटी दूजै सादि ॥५॥
Ḏar gẖar dẖo▫ī nā lahai cẖẖūtī ḏūjai sāḏ. ||5||
At the Door of His Home, she finds no shelter; she is discarded for seeking other pleasures. ||5||

ਪੰਡਿਤ ਵਾਚਹਿ ਪੋਥੀਆ ਨਾ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
पंडित वाचहि पोथीआ ना बूझहि वीचारु ॥
Pandiṯ vācẖėh pothī▫ā nā būjẖėh vīcẖār.
The Pandits, the religious scholars, read their books, but they do not understand the real meaning.

ਅਨ ਕਉ ਮਤੀ ਦੇ ਚਲਹਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ ॥
अन कउ मती दे चलहि माइआ का वापारु ॥
An ka▫o maṯī ḏe cẖalėh mā▫i▫ā kā vāpār.
They give instructions to others, and then walk away, but they deal in Maya themselves.

ਕਥਨੀ ਝੂਠੀ ਜਗੁ ਭਵੈ ਰਹਣੀ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁ ਸਾਰੁ ॥੬॥
कथनी झूठी जगु भवै रहणी सबदु सु सारु ॥६॥
Kathnī jẖūṯẖī jag bẖavai rahṇī sabaḏ so sār. ||6||
Speaking falsehood, they wander around the world, while those who remain true to the Shabad are excellent and exalted. ||6||
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ਕੇਤੇ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਜੋਤਕੀ ਬੇਦਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
केते पंडित जोतकी बेदा करहि बीचारु ॥
Keṯe pandiṯ joṯkī beḏā karahi bīcẖār.
There are so many Pandits and astrologers who ponder over the Vedas.

ਵਾਦਿ ਵਿਰੋਧਿ ਸਲਾਹਣੇ ਵਾਦੇ ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
वादि विरोधि सलाहणे वादे आवणु जाणु ॥
vāḏ viroḏẖ salāhṇe vāḏe āvaṇ jāṇ.
They glorify their disputes and arguments, and in these controversies they continue coming and going.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਰਮ ਨ ਛੁਟਸੀ ਕਹਿ ਸੁਣਿ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੁ ॥੭॥
बिनु गुर करम न छुटसी कहि सुणि आखि वखाणु ॥७॥
Bin gur karam na cẖẖutsī kahi suṇ ākẖ vakẖāṇ. ||7||
Without the Guru, they are not released from their karma, although they speak and listen and preach and explain. ||7||

ਸਭਿ ਗੁਣਵੰਤੀ ਆਖੀਅਹਿ ਮੈ ਗੁਣੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
सभि गुणवंती आखीअहि मै गुणु नाही कोइ ॥
Sabẖ guṇvanṯī ākẖī▫ahi mai guṇ nāhī ko▫e.
They all call themselves virtuous, but I have no virtue at all.

ਹਰਿ ਵਰੁ ਨਾਰਿ ਸੁਹਾਵਣੀ ਮੈ ਭਾਵੈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
हरि वरु नारि सुहावणी मै भावै प्रभु सोइ ॥
Har var nār suhāvaṇī mai bẖāvai parabẖ so▫e.
With the Lord as her Husband, the soul-bride is happy; I, too, love that God.

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਵੜਾ ਨਾ ਵੇਛੋੜਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੮॥੫॥
नानक सबदि मिलावड़ा ना वेछोड़ा होइ ॥८॥५॥
Nānak sabaḏ milāvṛā nā vecẖẖoṛā ho▫e. ||8||5||
O Nanak, through the Shabad, union is obtained; there is no more separation. ||8||5||

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p 55-56
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Huck ji - I have moved this to the new focus thread, Living the Shabad Guru: My Thoughts and Feelings. Also we humbly request a vichaar from you regarding this shabad. What is it about this shabad that caused you to bring it up? What is its meaning for you? Narayanjot Kaur
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Re: Living The Shabad Guru : My Thoughts And Feelings

narayanjot ji

i am still contemplating on this. Each tuk connects to each person differently, i am going through my cycle of understanding.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26127

and I am generally not the one inclined to discourse.

I would rather understand and imbibe.


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Huck_Finn ji,

Guru Fateh.

You have done it again, this time in the thread which specifically indicates what it is about. Let me repeat the title of this thread again so you can grasp what should be posted here.

The title says: "Living The Shabad Guru : My Thoughts And Feelings"

I am sure you have read the excellent introduction to the thread by Mai Harinder Kaur ji. I have no idea why you have ignored that and copied and pasted the Shabad that you should have expressed in your own words.

When asked by Narayanjot ji to express what the Shabad means to you, you come with some abstract answers which make no sense.

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narayanjot ji

i am still contemplating on this. Each tuk connects to each person differently, i am going through my cycle of understanding.
and I am generally not the one inclined to discourse.
I would rather understand and imbibe.
Ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are still trying to understand this Shabad. So, please post your personal expression when you have understood this one and the others that you have done the same in different threads in the forum.

In the meantime, please post the Shabad/s in this thread that you do understand and share your thoughts and feelings about them. I am sure with a person of your caliber,you must have a lot of them in your mental archive or in your computer hard drive as a computer savvy person you are.

Please share your Gurmat wisdom with us.

Lastly I am still waiting for the response about my questions regarding the Shabad you have copied and pasted in the "What is Dharam Yudh?" thread.


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