Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect.

Narayanjot Kaur · #28 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2009, 20:17 PM

Gyani ji

I like what you said in another thread,

Here is an article about How we treat GOD as a Plaything...HE is NOT to fool around with...

It applies to this thread as well.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25316-wrong-translation-japuji-sahab-radhaswami-sect.html

Antonia
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Tejwant Singh · #29 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2009, 22:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

Gyani ji - thank you for instructing us regarding the 4 pillars of Hindu philosophy and how they are challenged by Guru Nanak in the pauree.

Let me however point out another source of confusion in this thread. I have checked the site with Kirpal Singh's translation of the pauree. Here it is,

One cannot comprehend Him through reason, even if one reasoned for ages;
One cannot achieve inner peace by outward silence, not though one sat dumb for ages;
One cannot buy contentment with all the riches of the world, nor reach Him with all mental ingenuity.
How may one know the Truth and break through the cloud of falsehood?
There is a Way, O Nanak, to make His Will our own,
His Will which is already wrought in our existence.

Antonia ji,

Guru Fateh.

I have no idea what Kirpal Singh means by " One cannot comprehend Him through reason" because the fact of the matter is that Sikhi is based on reason. The reason made Guru Nanak chant," Pataalan pataal lakh, agaasah agaas"- There are hundreds of thousands of planets and many Mikyways". Science found that out quite recently

So for me this pauri talks about the 4 schools of thought in Hinduism what Gyani ji calls as 4 pillars.

Tejwant Singh

Narayanjot Kaur · #30 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2009, 23:51 PM

For me Tejwant ji --

I am willing to accept the majority perspective regarding the 4 pillars of Hinduism being at the core of the translation. Though I do have some technical questions as to why this is the larger school of thought on the translation of the verse in question i.e., Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316

But I am not going to ask these questions. I am willing to be incorrect on that point. Here is why. Because my purpose in all of my posts was to get to the core of why a travesty of translation, on the cusp of being a beadbi of the Guru, if not an actually apostasy itself, even surfaced. Neither was it explained nor justified after several rounds of questioning. And I felt I had to say something about something so outrageous.

Narayanjot Kaur · #31 (**permalink**) 10-Jun-2009, 00:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaheguruSeekr

Antonia ji,

Guru Fateh.

I have no idea what Kirpal Singh means by " One cannot comprehend Him through reason" because the fact of the matter is that Sikhi is based on reason. The reason made Guru Nanak chant," Pataalan pataal lakh, agaasah agaas"- There are hundreds of thousands of planets and many Mikyways". Science found that out quite recently

So for me this pauri talks about the 4 schools of thought in Hinduism what Gyani ji calls as 4 pillars.

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant ji

On your specific question and to clear up a fuzzy section in our dialog. There is no doubt in my mind that the pauree addresses the 4 pillars of Hinduism. This was not my original concern. I have focused my concerns on this line Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !!

The pauree yes, this line Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !!-- maybe or maybe not. The discussion started with respect to travesties related to this verse Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !! and not the pauree.