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Old 30-May-2009, 01:28 AM
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Many years ago, I happened to be in Nanded (Maharashtra) and went to Hazur Sahib gurdwara to pay homage to the Tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who was assassinated there in 1708.



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It is one of the most sacred of gurdwaras.



I came across something which baffled me.



There was a row of cabins separated by thin walls of plywood in which a dozen akhand paths (non-stop reading of the Guru Granth by a relay of paathees - readers) were being performed with no one listening to them.



I sought explanation from the head granthi (caretaker). He told me people from India and abroad sent money for akhand paths, to be followed by Guru-ka-langar, as thanksgiving or for wish fulfilment.
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I could not comprehend how prayers recited by someone else could benefit a devotee who paid for them.



However, I found such practices more prevalent in other communities, as well.
Hindus have havans (fire ceremonies) performed at distant places.



Muslims pay expenses to people going for Haj, hoping that benefits will accrue to them.
Even Mirza Ghalib pleaded with Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar to take him along on Haj and he would give his tswaab (benefit) to his majesty. However, the British did not allow the Mughal king to leave Delhi.



What came as a big surprise to me was to find that Europeans, Canadians and Indian Christians are also into outsourcing prayers. Well-to-do English, Canadians and Americans, who can't be bothered to go to church, paid for holy masses in euros or dollars, outsourcing religious rituals to Kerala Christian priests.



I read about it in the latest Private Eye of May 15. To wit: "The outsourcing of American and European jobs to low-wage countries like India has been happening for years," Archbishop Jacob Thoomkuzhy told reporters in Kerala, "and religious outsourcing is no different. Because of shortage of priests in the industrialised world, prayers for the dead and holy masses are being paid for by the westerners, then offshored to India."



"It is a lucrative business for churches in Kerala. Mass intentions that are paid for in dollars or euros are carried out here by local priests. The prayers are recited, and the fees paid by westerners help cash-starved parishes here. So what's the problem? " asked the Archbishop.



For example, when British newspapers whipped up a storm about David Beckham's affairs, a Beckham fan from London paid 350 euros for a mass to save the soul of his hero.



The holy mass, however, was not held in a London parish.



It was outsourced by the church authorities to a Bishop in India, who passed it to a remote church at Anthikad in Thrissur diocese, where the mass took place.



"We do not want to look at this commercially, but it is a huge boost to the local religious economy here,'' said the Archbishop.




 
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This is really common. Isn't it the same as when people have Akhand Paths or Sukhmani Sahib Paths with langars on birthdays, graduations etc.

You put the issue into its correct perspective by describing ot as the "outsourcing" of religion. I guess it is just another symptom of this instant satiation and convenience lifestyle pushed so fiercely these days.
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Meaningless rituals breed the desire for miracles. Atleast buying a lottery ticket has some rare odds in favour. These rituals have all the odds against the payees and the performers. Well, the performers of the rituals atleast get paid. So they are the only winners in this game of religious poker.
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Out of interest, what would you think of someone having an Akhand Path or a Sukhmani Sahib Path at a house they have just moved into?
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Out of interest, what would you think of someone having an Akhand Path or a Sukhmani Sahib Path at a house they have just moved into?
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.......

If the person is participating in sangat and paath, then its fine..he will benefit from both..he/she will recite paath, and Guru Ji's charan into his/her home.

I always love to have Guru Ji and Sangat come to my home and we all will have pankat and sangat at home. This is the way we can do sewa of sangat. In old times sikhs call Guru Ji and sangat to their homes, its the same way...but one has to be present. Its not like...we called Guru Ji to our home and we are wondering around ............No...we have to be there....
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Dal Singh ji,

Guru fateh.

It is a good idea provided they are done by the members of the family or the extended family. When we have Akhand paaths for any reason at anyone of our family's, we do it on our own. We have weekly Sukhmani Sahib paath but in a different manner.We discuss one Astpadi per week in details.All have to study the given Astpadi and discuss about it.

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Dal Singh ji,

Guru fateh.

It is a good idea provided they are done by the members of the family or the extended family. When we have Akhand paaths for any reason at anyone of our family's, we do it on our own. We have weekly Sukhmani Sahib paath but in a different manner.We discuss one Astpadi per week in details.All have to study the given Astpadi and discuss about it.

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That's great ..I liked it...Its a great Idea...even we can start to have weekly discussion of other baani's also........

We can request admin to start a forum with Baani Discussions...Sub forum Sukmani Sahib...and start a thread with every Ashtpadi and discuss it ...the Sudh Ucharan and katha veechar ....
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh....
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Sangat ch aaon naal kinne change vichar te ideas aaonde han......thanks to VaheguruSeekr Ji....
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This is a great idea. We need to implement it soon. For your information, there are 2 Gurmat discussions ongoing right now. One on the selokas of Kabir ji and one on the bhagats. Your interactions there would be most welcome -- please do participate. Here are the links.

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