Caste System in Sikhism: Why?

CAST SYSTEM IN SIKHISM IF IT IS ACCEPETED OR ALLOWED.


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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA AND WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.

With all the respect to all SPN members and management as a whole.

Das just wish to know if there is more threads and discussion on cast system which has creeped among us to separate us from each others . Disbelief of cast system is a foundation initiated by Guru Nanak Dev Ji that we all come from one light an we all are equal.

This awareness will is urgently needed which make one cast superior than the others and place of worships are named by certain people who belongs to different cast .Cast was first disease which was eradicated.

Our teachings are none to match in the world yet we are all divided in different branches like Radhswamis,Nirankari,Kukke, and what not.

I humbly suggest this where SPN philosophy should be all about to spread our faith for our growing youths that we are who believes in Sikhism with considering where he has come from as long as he is a human being.



Jaspi

 
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jas

Caste is Brahminical Hinduism.
NO other religious system has any such thing.
When a SIKH is Given the Gift of Khandeh batte dee Pahul and becomes a SINGH/KHALSA, He/she is given a BANNA, the 5 kakaars, His/Her Name is changed, place of Birth is spiritually changed to Anandpur Sahib and Parents changed to Guru Gobind Singh ji and Mata Sahib kaur Ji. He/she pledges to DISCARD ALL PREVIOUS habits, beleifs, superstitions etc etc and have Complete Faitha dn Beleif in ONLY the Ten Gurus and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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As such a SIKH ahs no more connection with hsi previous...caste/beleifs etc...
BUT PUNJABIS find it so difficult to DISCARD all this RUBBISH. The moment we return home...we RUSH to the DUSTBIN..to RETRIEVE..our "caste/gotra/superstitions/bharams/etc etc etc that we PLEDGED to THROW AWAY FOREVER. We DROP the SINGH/KAUR and restore back the GILL, the Dhillon etc etc.
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There is a cure for everything..BUT for a FOOL there is no cure. Sikhs who attach caste are FOOLS and BEMUKHS as they broke the PLEDGE to GURU JI.. NO Apologies.

Hinduism originated earlier on than other religions, so I guess it's safe to believe it started from there.. But it did spread to Islam and Sikhism - As far as I know, there are still caste systems in the muslim society/islamic culture but obviously, for Sikhism this was until the point at where Guru Ji banished it and where your above point(s) is obviously correct, that Punjabis are just very narrow-minded / uneducated in a sense, and it's their loss anyway for not having an understanding of the principle that ANY religion is purely God-related/based and something as small as caste has no effect on our lives - but only segregates us from one another - so why would anyone encourage this?
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I think it's just pride really - Caste system originated in India and apparently it's still used there JUST to identify people as what job they do - that's the ONLY reason it was introduced and obviously along with that, the status of someone is revealed through caste and this is where people NOWADAYS probably take the caste system to a further extent - as it's no longer what job status your ancestors (ect) were - it's about pride, enemies and therefore segregation, identity of status that's not job-related but wealth-related or just simply the stupidity thinking of "I'm better than you" - if you catch my drift..

Thanks for you comments on cast system by these fools but our so called priest and even in Parbhandhak Committee we have some serving with this tail of cast attached to their names.

Why not publicly criticized this practice which divid us all by our leaders. There are other things which all are driven from ego or leadership, changing Ardas is a priority than changing all the sikh to be unit under one umberella which was preached bu Shri Guru Nanal Dev Ji , that we all come from one light. Shri Guru Gobind Singh created Khalsa on same ground what was vreated by our first Guru.
Jaspi.

NATURE and EVOLUTION....made us "drop" our "TAILS"...so that we can progress ABOVE (monkeys/donkeys...etc)
But i GUESS some of US...do miss our tails....so we re-attach them...and WAVE them about so happily !!!
Sometimes we Go so far as to..LET our TAILS WAG US !!! ( Dog wagging its tail is acceptable...the Tail wagging the dog is WEIRD ..BUT it does happen never the less...Same with SIKHS with TAILS.

Gyanni jee,
What you are saying is perfactly right as far as our Sikh principals are concerned. One should not attach his or her so called caste against one's name. I , myself till 2001, never put the cast to my name Hardip Singh. But then, in 2001, I needed to migrate to Canda. When I submitted my paper for the VISA, it was refused on the ground that the Canadian Govt. has made it mandatery to put your caste / family name / surname after the usual Singh or Kaur. Reason given was that here every Sikh is either Singh or Kaur and it has become realy difficult for them track each and every case or to identify easily the real individuals. This too led me to add my family name of Vohra to my origional name of Hardip Singh and I became to known as Hardip Singh Vohra.
Sir, pl advice me ; where is my fault in this.

Hardeep Ji,
Gurafteh.

NO FAULT JI.... I am NOT the Taliban Sikh type.
I myself have to resort to telling some who persist..so whats you Family LINE..ancestors...and that is DHILLON Jattas of Tallewal Village in Bhatinda...
so per se that is just "info"..nothing less nothing more.. as long as...I dotn go around imagining myself as somehow HIGHER than say a...Ravidassi/Mazhbi/Balmiki from Tallewal village Bhatinda...and expect him to bow to me or lick my feet or something...THAT IS THE "FAULT" and its avery HUGE ONE..HAUMAII...superiority complex...Ucha Naak Hnakaar..Hankerr...ALL THE BAD COMBIMNATIONS possible...
Somehow..all this ingrained "inferiority Complex" so strong...wehn i visited the Punajb Villages...perfectly GOOD GURSIKHS...who came to do the "safaii...clean the vehrras, take care of the Goha Koorra etc in the VILLAGE HOUSES...were treated as...LOW CLASS..and they ACCEPTED IT.
I was flabbergasted....to say the least...BUt that is REALITY I saw in EACH HOUSE....the cleaning lady/labourer/diharredaar...stood at the Gate..far away..took the food offered while keeping a distance....sat on the floor....and when i protested..the House owner would say..Gyani Ji..tuhanu patta nahin..eh choorreh hah..isteraan hee hah...
THAT IS A FAULT..and BAD. Sikhi failed to STOP THIS....and the Babas with their separate langgars and amrit sansakaars have been spreading it further...

And whats worse..people have "elephant memories..they never forget...
Three "tallewallians"..migrated from tallewal in the early 1940's. One was my Dad Dhillon Jatt ( with just 30 killas to his name in Punjab and just 2500 SQ FOOT in Malaysia (the House we stay in), another was a Banniah who became a Singh to gain entrance to t he malaysian police, and the third was a Chmaar who became a Doctor. 60-7- years later..we are still Dhillon jatts although we have no land and never farmed....the Banniah is still LALA JI...even though he and his garndson also wear dastaar and are 5 kakree sikhs....and the Chmaar is still CHmaar..even though he reached the height of his Medical Profession...if he goes back to Tallewaal..he will be in the Mazhbi Bastee/Quarter...BUT we are still "lords" even though our 30 killas became fragmented..and my relations have to survive by taking other peoples land on Theka...while the Chmaar has many commercial buildings, nearly a thousand acres of valuable land and millions in his bank account........He is still the chmmar from tallewaal.....SIGH...
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2. On the Mandatory THIRD Name...imho the Canadians have DENIED having any such ruling. It was the Travcel Agents or Punjabis ON THEIR OWN who created this Bhed Chaal...thats why we have people who are known as...Ruby Dhalla....Majeet SAHOTA...etc wehn it could very well be Ruby KAUR..Manjeet SINGH... ALL this Surname being common is pure BS... ALL the SINGHS combined in the entire WORLD cannot Match the number of LEES from China....leave out the TANS..the CHANS..etc etc. IF the Chinese have no problems with having so many LEES in a LIST..why should SINGHS have this "problem" ??? At last count there are about 180 Million LEES...Total Singhs are not even close

3. Enterprising SINGHS have come out with a solution...to the MIDDLE NAME/INITIAL problem...
why NOT BREAK UP your anme into THREE parts....Jar Nail Singh is a bit out BUT..Tej Parkash Singh...Rann Inder Singh...etc etc are perfect. IN that way you get to retain SINGH as last anme/Surname and also have a Middle Initial.

Gyanni jee,
Thanks a lot for the advice. At present I have nothing to do with Canada or their policy. With HIS grace I am happily settelled in Delhi. From Today onward, it will be Hardip Singh once again. Thanks for correcting me. I am highly obliged. I am starting today from this forum itself by changing my profile at SPN.

Hardip Singh Ji,
Gurfateh.

Thank YOU. I really appreciate this gesture. and I am humbled.
May GURU JI always have His Benign Hands over YOU and your family and bestow the Kirpa of Gurparsaad.
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I am GLAD that Guru Jis Teachings are followed. Its worth it..every inch of the way. We step forward ONE STEP..and Mera satgur..comes forward 40 MILES to meet us.
Keep in Chardeekalla always....