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Can there be True Love among humans, between man and woman, parents for children and children for parents, within families, among friends, within the sangat, for humanity -- without the SatGuru?
ਸਚਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ॥
sachaa praem piaar gur poorae thae paaeeai ||
True love and affection are obtained from the Perfect Guru.
ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਭੰਗੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਈਐ ॥੧੧॥
kabehoo n hovai bhang naanak har gun gaaeeai ||11||
They never break, O Nanak, if one sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||11||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/23678-what-is-true-love.html
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਚਾ ਨੇਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਜੀਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਪਿਰੀ ਵਿਹੂਣਿਆ ॥
jinhaa andhar sachaa naehu kio jeevanih piree vihooniaa ||
How can those who have true love within them live without their Husband Lord?
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੇਲੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿਰੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨਿਆ ॥੧੨॥
guramukh maelae aap naanak chiree vishhunniaa ||12||
The Lord unites the Gurmukhs with Himself, O Nanak; they were separated from Him for such a long time. ||12||
ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਤਉ ਆਪੇ ਲਾਇਆ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678
jin ko praem piaar tho aapae laaeiaa karam kar ||
You grant Your Grace to those whom You Yourself bless with love and affection.
ਨਾਨਕ ਲੇਹੁ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਮੈ ਜਾਚਿਕ ਦੀਜੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰਿ ॥੧੩॥
naanak laehu milaae mai jaachik dheejai naam har ||13||
O Lord, please let Nanak meet with You; please bless this beggar with Your Name. ||13||
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Originally Posted by aad0002  ਸਚਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ॥
sachaa praem piaar gur poorae thae paaeeai ||
True love and affection are obtained from the Perfect Guru.
ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਭੰਗੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਈਐ ॥੧੧॥
kabehoo n hovai bhang naanak har gun gaaeeai ||11||
They never break, O Nanak, if one sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||11||
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਚਾ ਨੇਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਜੀਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਪਿਰੀ ਵਿਹੂਣਿਆ ॥
jinhaa andhar sachaa naehu kio jeevanih piree vihooniaa ||
How can those who have true love within them live without their Husband Lord?
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੇਲੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿਰੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨਿਆ ॥੧੨॥
guramukh maelae aap naanak chiree vishhunniaa ||12||
The Lord unites the Gurmukhs with Himself, O Nanak; they were separated from Him for such a long time. ||12||
ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਤਉ ਆਪੇ ਲਾਇਆ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ॥
jin ko praem piaar tho aapae laaeiaa karam kar ||
You grant Your Grace to those whom You Yourself bless with love and affection.
ਨਾਨਕ ਲੇਹੁ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਮੈ ਜਾਚਿਕ ਦੀਜੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰਿ ॥੧੩॥
naanak laehu milaae mai jaachik dheejai naam har ||13||
O Lord, please let Nanak meet with You; please bless this beggar with Your Name. ||13|| | Beautiful ! Vital factor is the true love and respect for the Guru that accelerate the learning of Guru Teachings, the piles of questions towards which our so called misguided intellect intrigue us melt like ice if the True Love for the Guru is there in the first place. Thanks aad Bhain jio for posting this Shabad  |
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NamJap ji and Aman ji were the ones who thought this would be a good thread. I deserve no credit. But all are happy that you see its merits. |
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I thank namjap ji and Aman Singh ji too to inspire you to start this thread because this separates hypocritical approach from factual longing in context of spiritual progression as it is very important for a Sikh who wants to follow it. . Please allow me to elaborate on it ਸਚਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ॥
sachaa praem piaar gur poorae thae paaeeai ||
True love and affection are obtained from the Perfect Guru. The farmer prepares the field before sowing there any thing, same way, the heart needs to be prepared, as fertilizer is needed, same way a true love for the Guru and Lord is mandatory. True love just doesn’t come with force, it is natural, and when it comes, it blossoms and glows distinctively. Here perfect Guru is said to be needed because perfect Guru helps in pulling out weeds like thinking and aid the follower to grow what it should be
ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਭੰਗੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਈਐ ॥੧੧॥
kabehoo n hovai bhang naanak har gun gaaeeai ||11||
They never break, O Nanak, if one sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||11|| When the weeds are out, fertilizer is there, what can stop a seed to grow to its fullest capacity? None. Same way when the heart is made ready, every kind of filthy and distracting ideology is weeded out, none can stop the glowing of true love in the heart
ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਚਾ ਨੇਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਜੀਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਪਿਰੀ ਵਿਹੂਣਿਆ ॥
jinhaa andhar sachaa naehu kio jeevanih piree vihooniaa ||
How can those who have true love within them live without their Husband Lord? You see, that true love glues the soul with the Lord, soul’s plight becomes of a fish that cannot live without water. Such is the power true love holds
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੇਲੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿਰੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨਿਆ ॥੧੨॥
guramukh maelae aap naanak chiree vishhunniaa ||12|| The Lord unites the Gurmukhs with Himself, O Nanak; they were separated from Him for such a long time. ||12||
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ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਤਉ ਆਪੇ ਲਾਇਆ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ॥
jin ko praem piaar tho aapae laaeiaa karam kar ||
You grant Your Grace to those whom You Yourself bless with love and affection.
ਨਾਨਕ ਲੇਹੁ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਮੈ ਜਾਚਿਕ ਦੀਜੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰਿ ॥੧੩॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678
naanak laehu milaae mai jaachik dheejai naam har ||13||
O Lord, please let Nanak meet with You; please bless this beggar with Your Name. ||13|| All is in His control; He unites with Him whom He wills. It is not a competition to wait for the reward, neither it is a show off, it is surrender to Him seeking nothing in return. Getting that true love is enough; enough is His blessing He bestows to let the true love grow within. Prayer is for this true love that seeks nothing but the Name of Lord.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678 That is the only thing the soul needs.
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Originally Posted by pk70 I thank namjap ji and Aman Singh ji too to inspire you to start this thread because this separates hypocritical approach from factual longing in context of spiritual progression as it is very important for a Sikh who wants to follow it. . Please allow me to elaborate on it ਸਚਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ sachaa praem piaar gur poorae thae paaeeai || True love and affection are obtained from the Perfect Guru. The farmer prepares the field before sowing there any thing, same way, the heart needs to be prepared, as fertilizer is needed, same way a true love for the Guru and Lord is mandatory. True love just doesn’t come with force, it is natural, and when it comes, it blossoms and glows distinctively. Here perfect Guru is said to be needed because perfect Guru helps in pulling out weeds like thinking and aid the follower to grow what it should be ਕਬਹੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਭੰਗੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਈਐ ॥੧੧॥ kabehoo n hovai bhang naanak har gun gaaeeai ||11|| They never break, O Nanak, if one sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||11|| When the weeds are out, fertilizer is there, what can stop a seed to grow to its fullest capacity? None. Same way when the heart is made ready, every kind of filthy and distracting ideology is weeded out, none can stop the glowing of true love in the heart ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਚਾ ਨੇਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਜੀਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਪਿਰੀ ਵਿਹੂਣਿਆ ॥ jinhaa andhar sachaa naehu kio jeevanih piree vihooniaa || How can those who have true love within them live without their Husband Lord? You see, that true love glues the soul with the Lord, soul’s plight becomes of a fish that cannot live without water. Such is the power true love holds ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੇਲੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਚਿਰੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨਿਆ ॥੧੨॥ guramukh maelae aap naanak chiree vishhunniaa ||12|| The Lord unites the Gurmukhs with Himself, O Nanak; they were separated from Him for such a long time. ||12|| . ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ਤਉ ਆਪੇ ਲਾਇਆ ਕਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ॥ jin ko praem piaar tho aapae laaeiaa karam kar || You grant Your Grace to those whom You Yourself bless with love and affection. ਨਾਨਕ ਲੇਹੁ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਮੈ ਜਾਚਿਕ ਦੀਜੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰਿ ॥੧੩॥ naanak laehu milaae mai jaachik dheejai naam har ||13|| O Lord, please let Nanak meet with You; please bless this beggar with Your Name. ||13|| All is in His control; He unites with Him whom He wills. It is not a competition to wait for the reward, neither it is a show off, it is surrender to Him seeking nothing in return. Getting that true love is enough; enough is His blessing He bestows to let the true love grow within. Prayer is for this true love that seeks nothing but the Name of Lord. That is the only thing the soul needs. | Gurfateh to all members,
This is a very nice topic. There are so many things written in our Guru Granth Sahib ji related to love, but in practical life many of the people not accepting this. Its main drawback we can be consider as of less preaching of such topics in Gurudwara or social platforms.
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Thank you Aad ji for posting such a beautiful Shabad ji & Pk70 ji for elaborating on the Shabad ji...  |
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Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ आसा महला ५ ॥ Āsā mėhlā 5. Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति सदा सुखु होइ ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ saḏā sukẖ ho▫e. In the Love of God, eternal peace is obtained. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678 ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਦੁਖੁ ਲਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति दुखु लगै न कोइ ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ ḏukẖ lagai na ko▫e. In the Love of God, one is not touched by pain. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਲੁ ਖੋਇ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति हउमै मलु खोइ ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ ha▫umai mal kẖo▫e. In the Love of God, the filth of ego is washed away. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਦ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥ प्रभ की प्रीति सद निरमल होइ ॥१॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ saḏ nirmal ho▫e. ||1|| In the Love of God, one becomes forever immaculate. ||1|| ਸੁਨਹੁ ਮੀਤ ਐਸਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ सुनहु मीत ऐसा प्रेम पिआरु ॥ Sunhu mīṯ aisā parem pi▫ār. Listen, O friend: show such love and affection to God, ਜੀਅ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਆਧਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ जीअ प्रान घट घट आधारु ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Jī▫a parān gẖat gẖat āḏẖār. ||1|| rahā▫o. the Support of the soul, the breath of life, of each and every heart. ||1||Pause|| ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਭਏ ਸਗਲ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति भए सगल निधान ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ bẖa▫e sagal niḏẖān. In the Love of God, all treasures are obtained. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678 ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਨਾਮ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति रिदै निरमल नाम ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ riḏai nirmal nām. In the Love of God, the Immaculate Naam fills the heart. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਦ ਸੋਭਾਵੰਤ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति सद सोभावंत ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ saḏ sobẖāvanṯ. In the Love of God, one is eternally embellished. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਭ ਮਿਟੀ ਹੈ ਚਿੰਤ ॥੨॥ प्रभ की प्रीति सभ मिटी है चिंत ॥२॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ sabẖ mitī hai cẖinṯ. ||2|| In the Love of God, all anxiety is ended. ||2|| ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਹੁ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਤਰੈ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति इहु भवजलु तरै ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ ih bẖavjal ṯarai. In the Love of God, one crosses over this terrible world-ocean. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਜਮ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਡਰੈ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति जम ते नही डरै ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ jam ṯe nahī darai. In the Love of God, one does not fear death. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਗਲ ਉਧਾਰੈ ॥ प्रभ की प्रीति सगल उधारै ॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ sagal uḏẖārai. In the Love of God, all are saved. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਚਲੈ ਸੰਗਾਰੈ ॥੩॥ प्रभ की प्रीति चलै संगारै ॥३॥ Parabẖ kī parīṯ cẖalai sangāre. ||3|| The Love of God shall go along with you. ||3|| ਆਪਹੁ ਕੋਈ ਮਿਲੈ ਨ ਭੂਲੈ ॥ आपहु कोई मिलै न भूलै ॥ Āphu ko▫ī milai na bẖūlai. By himself, no one is united, and no one goes astray. ਜਿਸੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਘੂਲੈ ॥ जिसु क्रिपालु तिसु साधसंगि घूलै ॥ Jis kirpāl ṯis sāḏẖsang gẖūlai. One who is blessed by God's Mercy, joins the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇਰੈ ਕੁਰਬਾਣੁ ॥ कहु नानक तेरै कुरबाणु ॥ Kaho Nānak ṯerai kurbāṇ. Says Nanak, I am a sacrifice to You. ਸੰਤ ਓਟ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੇਰਾ ਤਾਣੁ ॥੪॥੩੪॥੮੫॥ संत ओट प्रभ तेरा ताणु ॥४॥३४॥८५॥ Sanṯ ot parabẖ ṯerā ṯāṇ. ||4||34||85|| O God, You are the Support and the Strength of the Saints. ||4||34||85||
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once again the spoil sport... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678
what is the litmus test for true/untrue love? |
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Sat shri akal,  Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23678
There were great lovers who never had a Guru.i need to consider any examples?
Guru only inspires love for the Lord which can be obtained through loving and caring fellow beings and moreover the opposite is also true when love for Lord is gained love for fellow being erupts from deep inside the heart.  | 
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