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| | | | | Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect This path of spirituality and religion is not easy to walk. Blessed are those who follow a true guru & under his guidance attain salvation According to Granth sahib even the demigods were not perfect. Consider the following verses : Kabeer Says बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे जनमु गवाइआ ॥१॥ Brahma wasted his life away, continually reading the Vedas. ||1|| सरपनी ते ऊपरि नही बलीआ ॥ No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya, जिनि ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ छलीआ ॥१॥Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/23317-even-the-demigods-were-not-perfect.html who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ||1|| नाभि कमल ते ब्रहमा उपजे बेद पड़हि मुखि कंठि सवारि ॥Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23317 From the lotus of Vishnu's navel, Brahma was born; He chanted the Vedas with a melodious voice. मैला ब्रहमा मैला इंदु ॥ Brahma is polluted, and Indra is polluted. Nanak Says ता को अंतु न जाई लखणा आवत जात रहै गुबारि ॥१॥ He could not find the Lord's limits, and he remained in the darkness of coming and going. ||1|| ईसरु ब्रहमा सेवदे अंतु तिन्ही न लहीआ ॥ Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord Third Nanak Says - ब्रहमै बेद बाणी परगासी माइआ मोह पसारा ॥ Through Brahma, the hymns of the Vedas were revealed, but the love of Maya spread. महादेउ गिआनी वरतै घरि आपणै तामसु बहुतु अहंकारा ॥२॥ The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2|| किसनु सदा अवतारी रूधा कितु लगि तरै संसारा ॥ Vishnu is always busy reincarnating himself - who will save the world? ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण भुले हउमै मोहु वधाइआ ॥ Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase. ब्रहमा बिसनु महेसु त्रै मूरति त्रिगुणि भरमि भुलाई ॥१६॥ The three forms of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are trapped in the three qualities, lost in confusion. ||16|| Trilochan Says अनिक पातिक हरता त्रिभवण नाथु री तीरथि तीरथि भ्रमता लहै न पारु री ॥ Shiva, the destroyer of countless sins, the Lord and Master of the three worlds, wandered from sacred shrine to sacred shrine; he never found an end to them. करम करि कपालु मफीटसि री ॥३॥ And yet, he could not erase the karma of cutting off Brahma's head. ||3|| FOURTH NANAK SAYS - ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण रोगी विचि हउमै कार कमाई ॥ Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva suffer from the disease of the three gunas - the three qualities; they do their deeds in egotism. जिनि कीए तिसहि न चेतहि बपुड़े हरि गुरमुखि सोझी पाई ॥२॥ The poor fools do not remember the One who created them; this understanding of the Lord is only obtained by those who become Gurmukh FIFTH NANAK SAYS - बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे हारे इकु तिलु नही कीमति पाई ॥ Reading and reciting the Vedas, Brahma grew weary, but he did not find even a tiny bit of God's worth. दस अउतार राजे होइ वरते महादेव अउधूता ॥ There were ten regal incarnations of Vishnu; and then there was Shiva, the renunciate. तिन्ह भी अंतु न पाइओ तेरा लाइ थके बिभूता ॥३॥ He did not find Your (God) limits either, although he grew weary of smearing his body with ashes. ||3||
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect I was reading this the other day. That is weird. Someone maybe trying to tell me something :p | 
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect I have much respect for the Sikh scriptures but don't know what to think about what was quoted in the "OP." I consider Lord Shiva to be the Absolute and the mythology is obviously metaphor. Lord Shiva has never walked about in a physical body and all of the images are symbolic. The Absolute is certainly not a demigod. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23317
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh YES..and these too need a HUMAN BODY for MUKTEE. (Gurbani) | Giani ji, Muktee from what if there is only one life according to you. If we came from the SAT we are obviously going back to the SAT so whats the point of muktee? | 
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyaban I have much respect for the Sikh scriptures but don't know what to think about what was quoted in the "OP." I consider Lord Shiva to be the Absolute and the mythology is obviously metaphor. Lord Shiva has never walked about in a physical body and all of the images are symbolic. The Absolute is certainly not a demigod.
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Satyaban | It is the same absolute. Some call Him Allah, some Jevohah, some call Him Vishnu, others know Him as Shiva.
But when you think Shiva as one of 3.3 billion (or some other numbers) gods or one of the trimurti guys, you are not thinking of Him as absolute. | 
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Originally Posted by kaur-1 Giani ji, Muktee from what if there is only one life according to you. If we came from the SAT we are obviously going back to the SAT so whats the point of muktee? | Very good question.
If we become one with Him, we lose ourselves. If we die, we lose ourselves. It is not confusing at all. | 
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect JEEWAN MUKT...we dont even have to "die" to attain MUKTEE !!
Has anyone read Bhagat Nmadev Ji asking..of WHAT PRACTICAL us is MUKTEE..if i get it only after I am DEAD ?? WHO Can SEE that so called mUKTEE ?? I WANT JEEWAN MUKTEE..NOW..while I am ALIVE..and everybody can SEE that I have GOT IT.
This is an entirely different concept from EVERY SINGLE RELIGION..all promise..AFTER DEATH ONLY. Alive..you have to BEAR WITH IT..just GRIN and bear it..BUT NOT GURMATT..Gurmatt shows us how to be JEEWAN MUKT !!! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23317
THAT is the SOLE PURPOSE of Human LIFE..and iT only happens ONCE.
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| | | | | Re: Even the Demigods Were Not Perfect Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh JEEWAN MUKT...we dont even have to "die" to attain MUKTEE !!
Jeewan Mukt is FREEDOM FROM FEAR OF DEATH...... | Is it freedom from fear of death or freedom from death? | 
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