Can Faith in the Satguru Ever be Blind?

For whatever path you follow faith has to be there. Anyone following the path of sense pleasure must be a firm believer that life is all about enjoying & earning money.

One who follows the path of spirituality must be a believer in the teachings of Granth sahib, Gita or any living guru of his.

Without faith noting can stand. Not any relationship can survive without it.
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But what is more important is that people need results irrespective of the path they choose to follow. If you had practice meditation for last 1 year without any results then definitely you will be tempted to leave that path.

Once the satisfaction level (can vary from person to person) increases then faith in an authority also increases.
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A person (Nanak) who has followed a particular path and found it the only way to live life will encourage others as well to follow that path.

He will definitely say that follow me and i will lead you to where every human is supposed to be. This is advocated by Krishna in Gita, Christ in his teachings & Nanak in granth sahib.

 
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I have gone through the topic/title and the first post. Without any disrespect to anyone, I do not feel comfortable with the word 'Blind faith'. In my opinion alternative like 'Total faith' could have been more appropriate.
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Needless to state that 'blind faith' conveys that one is forced to have faith while development of faith should be natural and it may take some time. Blind faith also gives the obnoxious feeling to the novice like me.

I am reminded of Maskeen ji's lecture in which he stated that faith is the basic edifice of Gurmat.

Twinkle, twinkle little star
how I wonder what you are
up above the world so high
like a diamond in the sky

ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
रागु धनासरी महला १ ॥
Rāg ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 1.
Raag Dhanaasree, First Mehl:

ਗਗਨ ਮੈ ਥਾਲੁ ਰਵਿ ਚੰਦੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਬਨੇ ਤਾਰਿਕਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਜਨਕ ਮੋਤੀ ॥
गगन मै थालु रवि चंदु दीपक बने तारिका मंडल जनक मोती ॥
Gagan mai thāl rav cẖanḏ ḏīpak bane ṯārikā mandal janak moṯī.
Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls.

ਧੂਪੁ ਮਲਆਨਲੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਚਵਰੋ ਕਰੇ ਸਗਲ ਬਨਰਾਇ ਫੂਲੰਤ ਜੋਤੀ ॥੧॥
धूपु मलआनलो पवणु चवरो करे सगल बनराइ फूलंत जोती ॥१॥
Ḏẖūp mal▫ānlo pavaṇ cẖavro kare sagal banrā▫e fūlanṯ joṯī. ||1||
The fragrance of sandalwood in the air is the temple incense, and the wind is the fan. All the plants of the world are the altar flowers in offering to You, O Luminous Lord. ||1||

ਕੈਸੀ ਆਰਤੀ ਹੋਇ ॥
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कैसी आरती होइ ॥
Kaisī ārṯī ho▫e.
What a beautiful Aartee, lamp-lit worship service this is!

ਭਵ ਖੰਡਨਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਆਰਤੀ ॥
भव खंडना तेरी आरती ॥
Bẖav kẖandnā ṯerī ārṯī.
O Destroyer of Fear, this is Your Ceremony of Light.

ਅਨਹਤਾ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਜੰਤ ਭੇਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
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अनहता सबद वाजंत भेरी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Anhaṯā sabaḏ vājanṯ bẖerī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The Unstruck Sound-current of the Shabad is the vibration of the temple drums. ||1||Pause||

Guru Nanak is truly a modern day healer of the ailing mind of man and thru his bani he gives us the greater picture. Without our beloved Guru we would still be grooping in the dark influenced by priests and priestesses; using talismen, various ceremonies, incantations, amulets, rings, relics and images.

For example, in the religions of antiquity priests in the ancient temples gave drugs to their patients and practiced hypnotic suggestions as the went to sleep. The patients were told that the gods would surely visit them in their sleep and heal them.

The snares and potholes are many in this dark world. Without the Guru, we are doomed to untold grief and unhappiness.

ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
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धनासरी महला ४ ॥
Ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 4.
Dhanaasaree, Fourth Mehl:

ਹਮ ਅੰਧੁਲੇ ਅੰਧ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਿਖੁ ਰਾਤੇ ਕਿਉ ਚਾਲਹ ਗੁਰ ਚਾਲੀ ॥
हम अंधुले अंध बिखै बिखु राते किउ चालह गुर चाली ॥
Ham anḏẖule anḏẖ bikẖai bikẖ rāṯe ki▫o cẖālah gur cẖālī.
I am blind, totally blind, entangled in corruption and poison. How can I walk on the Guru's Path?

ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਰੇ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ਹਮ ਲਾਵੈ ਆਪਨ ਪਾਲੀ ॥੧॥
सतगुरु दइआ करे सुखदाता हम लावै आपन पाली ॥१॥
Saṯgur ḏa▫i▫ā kare sukẖ▫ḏāṯa ham lāvai āpan pālī. ||1||
If the True Guru, the Giver of peace, shows His kindness, He attaches us to the hem of His robe. ||1||

ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਮੀਤ ਚਲਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਚਾਲੀ ॥
गुरसिख मीत चलहु गुर चाली ॥
Gursikẖ mīṯ cẖalhu gur cẖālī.
O Sikhs of the Guru, O friends, walk on the Guru's Path.

ਜੋ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਭਲ ਮਾਨਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਥਾ ਨਿਰਾਲੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जो गुरु कहै सोई भल मानहु हरि हरि कथा निराली ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
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Jo gur kahai so▫ī bẖal mānhu har har kathā nirālī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Whatever the Guru says, accept that as good; the sermon of the Lord, Har, Har, is unique and wonderful. ||1||Pause||

I have just been reading this thread and usually I am the silent one - read and taking notes to better understand. I am going to refer to the concept of 'blind' here and i may very well be wrong (actually more then likely) but please correct me. We all know our own levels of love for God and I can not even begin to contemplate the enormity that our Gurus felt and unshakenly held to. But our Gurus were humble and even that devotion that they all achieved and we long for was not enough (they scribe). Could the term 'blind' (as used above for example: I am blind, totally blind, entangled in corruption and poison. How can I walk on the Guru's Path?)be that we will never be able to completely free ourselves from the 5 evils. We will never be "good/aware" enough in regards to what the Lord has done for us?
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Moreso, my thoughts go further at this point and some things are never going to be answerable. faith is knowing without having to physically touch, smell, see, taste or hear something. Maybe it is this that "blind" refers to at other times. Could it be?
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Please let me know what you think here. I am very keen to develop a deeper understanding of my Guru's words!!

I went away and pondered and had to come back to place this too. I say that I can only delude myself to even begin to contemplate the devotion that our Gurus held and bare this in mind as I write my next thought...
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Do you think that although we need to understand and implement the teachings of our Gurus that sometimes we may over analyse and interpret their meanings? Loosing the all important messages that are embedded in them. Sri Guru Granth Sahib needs to be taken in wholey. To pull apart one part/word/syllabul/phoneme is too loose sight of what is being taught? Have we complicated the most delightful, amazing and simplest concept of all - There is 1 God, his name is truth!!!! Maybe I just have blind faith?

Socrates said, know thyself
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Gurbani says,
Mann Tu Jot Swaroop Hai,
Apna Mool Pachaan

The law of the mind, according to Joseph Murphy, is the law of belief. This means to believe in the way your mind works, to believe in belief itself. The belief of your mind is the thought of your mind, just that and nothing else.
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All your experiences, events, conditions, and acts are produced by your subconscious mind in reaction to your thoughts. It is not the thing believed in, but the belief in your own mind that brings the results.

Stop accepting the false beliefs, opinions, superstitions, and fears that plague our humankind. Begin to believe in the eternal truths and verities that never change. At that point, you will move onward, upward and Godward.

ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ॥
Nāmḏev jī.
Naam Dayv Jee:

ਮੈ ਅੰਧੁਲੇ ਕੀ ਟੇਕ ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਖੁੰਦਕਾਰਾ ॥
Mai anḏẖule kī tek ṯerā nām kẖunḏkārā.
I am blind; Your Name, O Creator Lord, is my only anchor and support.

ਮੈ ਗਰੀਬ ਮੈ ਮਸਕੀਨ ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਅਧਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Mai garīb mai maskīn ṯerā nām hai aḏẖārā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
I am poor, and I am meek. Your Name is my only support. ||1||Pause||

ਕਰੀਮਾਂ ਰਹੀਮਾਂ ਅਲਾਹ ਤੂ ਗਨੀ ॥
Karīmāʼn rahīmāʼn alāh ṯū ganīʼn.
O beautiful Lord, benevolent and merciful Lord, You are so wealthy and generous.

ਹਾਜਰਾ ਹਜੂਰਿ ਦਰਿ ਪੇਸਿ ਤੂੰ ਮਨੀ ॥੧॥
Hājrā hajūr ḏar pes ṯūʼn manīʼn. ||1||
You are ever-present in every presence, within and before me. ||1||

ਦਰੀਆਉ ਤੂ ਦਿਹੰਦ ਤੂ ਬਿਸੀਆਰ ਤੂ ਧਨੀ ॥
Ḏarī▫ā▫o ṯū ḏihanḏ ṯū bisī▫ār ṯū ḏẖanī.
You are the river of life, You are the Giver of all; You are so very wealthy.

ਦੇਹਿ ਲੇਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਤੂੰ ਦਿਗਰ ਕੋ ਨਹੀ ॥੨॥
Ḏėh lehi ek ṯūʼn ḏigar ko nahī. ||2||
You alone give, and You alone take away; there is no other at all. ||2||

ਤੂੰ ਦਾਨਾਂ ਤੂੰ ਬੀਨਾਂ ਮੈ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀ ॥
Ŧūʼn ḏānāʼn ṯūʼn bīnāʼn mai bīcẖār ki▫ā karī.
You are wise, You are the supreme seer; how could I make You an object of thought?

ਨਾਮੇ ਚੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਬਖਸੰਦ ਤੂੰ ਹਰੀ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥
Nāme cẖe su▫āmī bakẖsanḏ ṯūʼn harī. ||3||1||2||
O Lord and Master of Naam Dayv, You are the merciful Lord of forgiveness. ||3||1||2||

Interested Ji

In this Guru Shabad, the word”blind” is used in metaphorically to convey a message of warning about being’s total involvement in Maya and due to it, becoming unable to follow Guru. Literally most of us so called Sikhs are unable to follow Guru, if analysis is done, we literally behave like blind that cannot see the path. I think it is very beautiful expression with a strong message with underlining warning. “ਕਿਉ ਚਾਲਹ ਗੁਰ ਚਾਲੀ ॥“ If all mind is into Maya, it is not possible to follow Guru. In the next Guru Vaak, prayer is done to be able to seek refuge in Guruਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਰੇ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ਹਮ ਲਾਵੈ ਆਪਨ ਪਾਲੀ ॥੧॥ Up to this a plight of those ones is expressed who are unable to follow Guru, then prayer is done. Next comes direct advice from the Guru
ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਮੀਤ ਚਲਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਚਾਲੀ ॥
Gursikẖ mīṯ cẖalhu gur cẖālī.
O Sikhs of the Guru, O friends, walk on the Guru's Path.

HOW?
ਜੋ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਭਲ ਮਾਨਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਥਾ ਨਿਰਾਲੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Jo gur kahai so▫ī bẖal mānhu har har kathā nirālī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Whatever the Guru says( Guru says praise the Lord with all heart, live in His love), accept that as good(for you); the sermon of the Lord, Har, Har, is unique and wonderful( it change every thing). ||1||Pause||

In the above Guru Vaak, Guru ji expresses the way one should follow Guru. As it is clear, Guru asks followers to praise Lord and live in His love. This fact should be accepted and other influence of Maya must be abandon because it becomes hindrance. If what Guru says is accepted with full heart( mannya), change will occur, inability(blindness) to see the truth will be changed in to ability to walk on Guru path to unite with the Lord.
Hope it will help you in context of your question.