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Old 17-Sep-2008, 02:19 AM
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Par ṯari▫a rūp na pekẖai neṯar.
whose eyes do not gaze upon the beauty of others' wives,

Yes Lion_Prince ji,

The problem for me is this. The shabad is cautioning against looking at, focusing on, paying attention to the wrong things about other people. "Gaze" means more than to notice a person's beauty. "Gaze" means to look for a period of time. Gaze upon the beauty.... So, why steady your attention on physical beauty instead of other qualities of a person, the shabad asks?

In dating one can either stay focused on physical beauty, or a person can focus on other qualities like spirituality. If one never dates, but meets people in other ways, one may still stay focused on physical beauty instead of other qualities like spirituality. So why ban dating? That is the part of the Panthic Weekly argument that is preposterous to me. It teaches puts emphasize on something like dating that in the end doesn't really make a difference. What makes a difference? Getting one's priorities straight.




 
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Old 17-Sep-2008, 04:11 AM
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The thing is now, even for dating, it does normally involve looking at the person. I don't think people would take a step such as dating if the attraction wasn't strong.

Also there is quite a deal of attachment involved in dating, and the broken hearts of others throught my short life experience has kept me away. I mostly disagree with the being bg-gf part, as I see this as being partners just like husband and wife. And I absolutely disagree with people being others exes, I see this very similarly to being divorced and makes it seem that the persons who partook of dating did believe themselves as being partners.

I am fine with meeting, I am fine with talking, but dating and the context it is normally used, doesn't agree with me. To be honest, when I was a young teenager, I thought dating was aboout people sleeping with someone, probably due to seeing most of dating from soap operas on television, but then this is also where many asians seem to have picked up this habit in the uk, and now it has only increased here, since originally many indian families were conservative.

I also do think that some cultures that follow sikhi are more tolerant with dating that others, so banning it would be enforcing ones culture onto others, such as the conservative jatt culture of the SGPC which would probably be against dating. Also I do think the Guru jis' kshatriya cultural background would be against dating. However I do not see sikhi as destroying mulitculturalism, and diferent cultures should be tolerated. But this is my view.

I have heard views from/about some sanatan sikhs that they are ok for dating, including it seems projectnaad, as I talked to the singh and he said he was sanatan, although he had earlier extremist views that didn't seem sanatan, but he has changed views now
But on the other hand, I know some sanatan sikhs, one is a khatri that is udasi, and the other his friend a jatt that is towards nihang and udasi tradition where both seem against it. I do not see as sikhi saying you should or shouldn't do dating, but more of the individuals cultural background. However, we should beware of things like lust and attachment. I have seen the attachment of dating hurting many people.

My background is wary of dating as we are quite hardcore traditional annakhi background that sees woman as izzat of family and find it utmost important to protect the women In UK, stuff like conversions has caused much paranoia amongst dating, and is very much more associated with the pub/club type culture and hedonism. But there are some very honourable people that seem to be in a dating type of relationship that do marry, or it seems almost certain that they will marry. Its only bad when some guys were only out for pre-marital fun, and the girl is given a "tokha" like a false promise of marriage.
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Lion_Prince_Jatinder ji

This is turning into a cordial and very interesting exchange for me. I hope for you too.

You said, Also there is quite a deal of attachment involved in dating, and the broken hearts of others throught my short life experience has kept me away. I mostly disagree with the being bg-gf part, as I see this as being partners just like husband and wife.
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So is the problem really "dating" or is it really about how hard it is to learn to overcome attachments of any kind?

A thought -- if we avoid situations where we may form attachment, and then be deeply hurt, then how do we ever learn what attachment is, how it feels, or most importantly, how to become better at "letting go" at learning how to "detach?"

Just my thoughts
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These people have the same "problem" with.....words like..Darshan !!
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To them DARSHAN..means GAZE upon..see...look at...blah blah blah.
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SO wehn the Bard Tall declares..So kaho Tall GUR seveah... ahnes sehaj sbahi...DARSHAN parseeah Guru ke janam maran dukh jai...
IS Tall talking about "GAZING"..looking AT the Guru ?? Seeing the Guru..??? Can merely GAZING at the GURU..do all that..janam maran dukh jaiyeh ??
SO DIDNT..Jehangir GAZE at Guru Arjun Ji..didnt Prithi Chand Gaze..didnt Chandu GAZE ?? Imho Chandu Really GAZED long and steadily at Guru Arjun Ji...enjoying the sight of Guru Ji Roasting on the Hot Plate...did all his Janm marans disappear
More IMPORTANTLY... Tall and his GURBANI would become TIME BOUND...as TALL only could GAZE at Guru Angad/Arjun JI.... we who read his gurbani TODAY cannot GAZE upon Guru Angad Ji or Guru Arjun JI.... so is Talls DARSHAN valid TODAY ??
OBVIOUSLY..to take Darshan to mean mere GAZING/looking etc is FAULTY LOGIC.
People infatuated with such faulty logic are the ones who Take OFF the Rumalls of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..to take a "peek"....that is "Darshan" of the Guru for them !!!! Ha ha..such people come to Gurdwara to "GAZE" upon the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...what does such GAZING ACHIEVE ?? NOTHING. period.

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