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HAR bisrat sda khuari Mehla 5
pk70

Singhbj ji,

I shall be thankful if you could very kindly tell the year/approximate only as to when the above incident might have taken place. We do not hear of spiritual achievements of this kind in recent days.

regards

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

Just as the tradition states Dasam Pita Ji gave gurgaddi to Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji AND to Khalsa Panth via roop of Guru Panj Piare, so I accept that Guru Panj Piare are sargun Saroop of Guruji, and not some individual opinion which goes contrary to accepted Panthic authority.

You have created a new slur against the legitimacy of the Khalsa Panth with rehitnamay Sikhs. But there is in truth only one Sikh and that is the one in submission to Guruji's own hukam and not deluded with opinions of one's own interpretive self-importance. Are you also suggesting that Khande Ki Pahul, and the rehitnamay of a Khalsa are fabrications and not distilled from the remembered instructions of Dasam Pita Ji and faithfully retained in rehitnamay? Since Dasam Pitaji was murdered and did not even record the events of Baisaikhi in His own hand, how do you even know that Gurgaddhi belongs to Shri Guru Granth? If you don't accept the Khalsa tradition and supportive sources, you have nothing but personal presumption.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waheguru

Your arrogance will be your own undoing. If you are not a Sikh and do not recognize as legitimate Sikh institutions such as Khalsa Panth, Rehitnamay, the Sikh Takhts, Akal Takht, Panj Piare, then how can you be a Sikh? Aren't you studying from teachings of Tantric Master Osho? Is this where you get the notion that all Sikhs are inferior spiritually to your presumptions of non-conformity to legitimate and recognized Sikh teaching? If you don't recognize and follow hukam of Guru than you are the one who is nigura.

The only sane way to deal with Archived_member2 is with calmness. There is no other way.
Because if one looses his head talking too harshly (yet to happen) then Moderators come into the picture.

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Indeed his comments against rehitnamee Sikhs as being without Naam, against authority of Shri Akal Takht Sahib Ji, against Khalsa rehitnamas and accepted teachings of Khalsa Panth

these are NOT talking to harshly against Sikh religion? And it is only responses which he has deliberately provoked with invalidation of basis of Sikh belief which would be construed as harshness? That seems rather biased in favor of the person slandering Sikhs who kept rehit and trust the legitimacy of Sikh institutions. So you allow attacks against, but moderate responses to?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

ਸਚਹੁ ਓਰੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਉਪਰਿ ਸਚੁ ਆਚਾਰੁ ॥੫॥
सचहु ओरै सभु को उपरि सचु आचारु ॥५॥
Sachahu orai sabh ko upar sach aachar. ||5||
Truth is higher than everything; but higher still is truthful living. ||5||

Source: http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurban ... 0&Param=62

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Archived_member2 has received a number of infractions from moderators for provoking anger and misunderstanding while debating with members. I will not hesitate to resort to the same if the need arises.

Harjas Ji, you may highlight the points which Archived_member2 evades answering or gives wrong answers to. But if Archived_member2 can support his answers with relevant bani quotes, then he is not flaming sentiments. In the past, Pk70 has brought up arguments which reveal Archived_member2's answers as evasive and he explains how.

From your posts and Archived_member2's post, there are a number of questionable objections which should have been raised but I am surprised no one paid any attention to them. I hope you will go thru them again and point them out.

It's a learning process and good reminders to all : not to fall for such unreasonable logic.

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I have no interest in a debate which sole context is personal insult. I don't care how much Gurbani someone is quoting. I enjoy discussing points of religious understanding WITHOUT resorting to personal insults or having the same thrown at me. But it seems very hard to find such constructive discussions, and these are among the lowest common denominator intended to provoke resentment and rejection and not understanding. My opinion of course.

Discussions about points of disagreement are a learning process. Arguments and put downs are just an insult. And to be insulting others while distorting Gurbani to do it would seem more likely to lead to negative spiritual growth than positive.

I have certainly heard of a lot of fake babas, but rarely have I heard that a Sikh bibi was fake because she follows rehitnama. This whole discussion is ridiculous.

Mod's note

Archived_member2ji,

If you really believe the above, then we must not be that worthless a lot of moderators after all.

Anyway I'm enjoying this debate very much.

aad0002 (Not a bird, and not a BeeBee, that is for sure)

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.