Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

The true Gurus often sing the joy of becoming Suhaagan, married with God.
Does the true Sikh seek this relation while married with the worldly spouse?

Has someone any experience to share?


Balbir Singh

Balbir Singh Ji,

I've seen some Gyanis and Granthis become like the sandlewood tree (SGGS) but the numbers are few. For the rest of them, they're still the same. Was Kabeer refering the guru as the sandlewood tree ?

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!

Thanks for the wonderful Vaaks from Kabeer Jee.

Quote "I've seen some Gyanis and Granthis become like the sandlewood tree (SGGS) but the numbers are few."
The so-called Gyanees and Granthees cannot receive the qualities of a sandalwood tree as they are sitting around the paper bundle made of the dried wood from other trees.

Quote "Was Kabeer refering the guru as the sandlewood tree ?"
Yes. Kabeer Jee is referring the Sabad Guru. True Naam of Raam, Hari or Naaraa-in is the Sandalwood seed sowed within that grows. Then Body and mind covering it like Dhaak and Palaas also adopt the attributes of Chandan (Sandalwood).

Please ponder. Gurdev is singing.
ਰਾਮ ਪਾਰਸ ਚੰਦਨ ਹਮ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਸਟ ॥
राम पारस चंदन हम कासट लोसट ॥
Raam paaras chandan ham kaasat losat.
Raam is the philosopher's stone, sandal. I am wood, iron.

ਹਰਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਰੀ ਸਤਸੰਗੁ ਭਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੰਚਨੁ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਕੀਨੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हरि संगि हरी सतसंगु भए हरि कंचनु चंदनु कीने ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Hari sangi Haree satsangu bhae Hari kanchan keene ||1|| rahā*o.
In Hari's company the Haree Satsang happens. Hari has converted it into Gold, Sandal. ||1||Pause||


Balbir Singh

What is Haree Satsang ?

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Nam Jap ji,

This is one translation

ਰਾਮ ਪਾਰਸ ਚੰਦਨ ਹਮ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਸਟ ॥
राम पारस चंदन हम कासट लोसट ॥
Raam paaras chandan ham kaasat losat.
Raam is the philosopher's stone, sandal. I am wood, iron.

ਹਰਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਰੀ ਸਤਸੰਗੁ ਭਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੰਚਨੁ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਕੀਨੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हरि संगि हरी सतसंगु भए हरि कंचनु चंदनु कीने ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Hari sangi Haree satsangu bhae Hari kanchan keene ||1|| rahā*o.
In Hari's company the Haree Satsang happens. Hari has converted it into Gold, Sandal. ||1||Pause||

Here is another translation.

ਰਾਮ ਪਾਰਸ ਚੰਦਨ ਹਮ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਸਟ ॥
raam paaras chandhan ham kaasatt losatt ||
The Lord is the philosopher's stone, which transforms lead into gold, and sandalwood, while I am just dry wood and iron.

ਹਰਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਰੀ ਸਤਸੰਗੁ ਭਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੰਚਨੁ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਕੀਨੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
har sang haree sathasang bheae har kanchan chandhan keenae ||1|| rehaao ||
Associating with the Lord, and the Sat Sangat, the Lord's True Congregation, the Lord has transformed me into gold and sandalwood. ||1||Pause||

The Ang for these two lines is Ang 688

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

Balbir Singh Ji,

Are you referring SGGS as the paper bundle made of the dried wood from other trees ?

When we bow in reverence to a sant or guru, we are not actually bowing to his physical anatomy but to his elevated wisdom. So how else can you bow to the gurbani of 6 gurus and various bhagats and bards all at the same time other than in the presence of SGGS ?

If everything was physically more important, then gurugyan which is invisible to the naked eyes would not have been referred to, by all the authors in SGGS. So when we have the ultimate written wisdom of True Guru, without the anatomy part, does that make True Guru imcomplete ?
This wisdom (visible and readable by physical eyes is the greatest link one can have) on the physical plane, without the need of biological apparatus. If you were not impressed by the wisdom of SGGS, you wouldn't spend countless hours on the various Sikh sites.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਣ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਢਹਿ ਢੇਰੀ ਤਨੁ ਖੇਹ ॥੧॥
बिनु गुण कामि न आवई ढहि ढेरी तनु खेह ॥१॥
Bin guṇ kām na āvī dẖeh dẖėrī ṯan kẖėh. ||1||
Without virtue, it is useless; the body shall crumble into a pile of dust. ||1||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!

Quote "Are you referring SGGS as the paper bundle made of the dried wood from other trees ?"
The true Guru's Wisdom is Sri Guru Gyaan Saahib.

Ignorant have given the title SGGS to the printed book, originally written by the Gurus, and are waiting for the Wisdom. They are sitting around it and wasting life waiting for the wonder to happen.
The true Gurus never called the printed Book their Guru.
Strange, the business Baabaas have not come to the idea of patenting and manufacturing the pen. The Gurus were using to write.

The reverend Gurus wrote time and again that the true Guru is the Sabad Guru. All the true Gurus are singing the same praise for the Sabad Guru today also.
For me the true Guru is truth of Naam Sabad whom the Gurus suggested and transferred whole life. For the sake of later generations that they do not go astray, the wise Gurus gave it in writing also.
Please come to receive true Naam Simran and find yourself how your preachers have been misleading all.

Quote "When we bow in reverence to a sant or guru, we are not actually bowing to his physical anatomy but to his elevated wisdom."
May I ask why most people prefer the printed book over loudspeakers, tape recorders, computers or radios?
Is the bowing before a book is important or receiving the Wisdom of the Sabad?
Is physical bowing possible to the true wisdom?

The real bowing is transcending all worldly materials including books. It leads one toward God dwelling in everybody's center. Only Naam leads one to HIM.

Quote "So how else can you bow to the gurbani of 6 gurus and various bhagats and bards all at the same time other than in the presence of SGGS ?"
Strange. Who has become your guide?
The true Gurus give it in writing to receive the true Sabad or Naam to merge into the Nirgun and Sargun Lord together.
Who has hanged the true seeker on the printed book?

Quote "If everything was physically more important, then gurugyan which is invisible to the naked eyes would not have been referred to, by all the authors in SGGS."
I hope some have understood it after many long lives.

Quote "So when we have the ultimate written wisdom of True Guru . . ."
Writing of any kind cannot transfer the Ultimate wisdom.
One may experience it and live it.
The reverend Gurus never mention one incidence proving that one gets the ultimate wisdom by reading a book.

Quote "So when we have the ultimate written wisdom of True Guru, without the anatomy part, does that make True Guru imcomplete ?"
True Guru is the Sabad Guru. No one can write Ultimate Wisdom and bring it into the limits. Writings about true Sabad or Naam are indications and informations.

Quote "This wisdom (visible and readable by physical eyes is the greatest link one can have) on the physical plane, without the need of biological apparatus."
No biological apparatus accompanies when true Sabad leads one toward God.
One sees truth there without eyes, without ears he listens and . . .

Quote "If you were not impressed by the wisdom of SGGS, you wouldn't spend countless hours on the various Sikh sites."
This may be right when one experiences it himself.

Guru Naanak Dev Jee is rightly singing.
ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਣ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਢਹਿ ਢੇਰੀ ਤਨੁ ਖੇਹ ॥੧॥
बिनु गुण कामि न आवई ढहि ढेरी तनु खेह ॥१॥
Bin guṇ kām na āvī dẖeh dẖėrī ṯan kẖėh. ||1|| SGGS Ang 20


Balbir Singh

It's good that you have presumably received Naam Sabad. But how sure are you that what you received is not "all in the mind". Many baabas and dehdharis have misled devotees. How do you know that the 'naam sabad' you've received is the real amrit and not a mere photocopy. How can you be sure that you've reached the brahm gyaan ?

ਰਾਤੀ ਰੁਤੀ ਥਿਤੀ ਵਾਰ ॥
राती रुती थिती वार ॥
Rāṯī ruṯī thiṯī vār.
Nights, days, weeks and seasons;
ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
पवण पाणी अगनी पाताल ॥
Pavaṇ pāṇī agnī pāṯāl.
wind, water, fire and the nether regions -
ਤਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਥਾਪਿ ਰਖੀ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਲ ॥
तिसु विचि धरती थापि रखी धरम साल ॥
Ŧis vicẖ ḏẖarṯī thāp rakẖī ḏẖaram sāl.
in the midst of these, He established the earth as a home for Dharma.
ਤਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਅ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਕੇ ਰੰਗ ॥
तिसु विचि जीअ जुगति के रंग ॥
Ŧis vicẖ jī*a jugaṯ kė rang.
Upon it, He placed the various species of beings.
ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਨੰਤ ॥
तिन के नाम अनेक अनंत ॥
Ŧin kė nām anėk ananṯ.
Their names are uncounted and endless.
ਕਰਮੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਹੋਇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
करमी करमी होइ वीचारु ॥
Karmī karmī ho*ė vīcẖār.
By their deeds and their actions, they shall be judged.
ਸਚਾ ਆਪਿ ਸਚਾ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥
सचा आपि सचा दरबारु ॥
Sacẖā āp sacẖā ḏarbār.
God Himself is True, and True is His Court.
ਤਿਥੈ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
तिथै सोहनि पंच परवाणु ॥
Ŧithai sohan pancẖ parvāṇ.
There, in perfect grace and ease, sit the self-elect, the self-realized Saints.
ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਪਵੈ ਨੀਸਾਣੁ ॥
नदरी करमि पवै नीसाणु ॥
Naḏrī karam pavai nīsāṇ.
They receive the Mark of Grace from the Merciful Lord.
ਕਚ ਪਕਾਈ ਓਥੈ ਪਾਇ ॥
कच पकाई ओथै पाइ ॥
Kacẖ pakā*ī othai pā*ė.
The ripe and the unripe, the good and the bad, shall there be judged.
ਨਾਨਕ ਗਇਆ ਜਾਪੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੩੪॥
नानक गइआ जापै जाइ ॥३४॥
Nānak ga*i*ā jāpai jā*ė. ||34||
O Nanak, when you go home, you will see this. ||34||



Balbir Singh Jee,



Kindly share your experiences which Baba Nanak shared with us. Maybe your experience is different because the scenes have changed since 500 years ago and if Baba Nanak could speak of his experiences so can you. Be open about it. No need to PM or email. Bring it out in the open.

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!

Please do not worry about the mind less Balbir Singh.
Sabad Guru is leading him already with the Grace of God.

Quote "Kindly share your experiences . . ."
God knows what is to share and through whom.

Quote " . . . because the scenes have changed since 500 years . . ."
Saahib is new (Navaa Navaa) every moment also ever (Sadaa Sadaa).

Quote "No need to PM or email."
Thanks. I never felt this need.

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Let us come to the topic.

A Duhaagan is entangled in other than her true Purakh.
Other than Purakh everybody is a Naar (female).
May I ask if Manmukhs are living like lesbians too?


Balbir Singh

Balbir ji

Please help me understand why your hypotheses about Naam, Waheguru and the Shabad of Guruji, on this thread and other threads have spiritual or theological significance.

Quote For example A Duhaagan is entangled in other than her true Purakh.
Other than Purakh everybody is a Naar (female).
May I ask if Manmukhs are living like lesbians too?


And why anyone should have patience with the translations of Gurbani that you have put forward on this and other threads? The manmukh aad0002 - she is where Waheguru wants her to be. So you can feel comfortable being open and frank with me.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.