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04-05-2008, 09:22 PM
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Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!
The true Gurus often sing the joy of becoming Suhaagan, married with God.
Does the true Sikh seek this relation while married with the worldly spouse?
Has someone any experience to share?
Balbir Singh
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05-05-2008, 05:00 AM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
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Originally Posted by Balbir Singh
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Jatinder Singh Jee!
Quote "May be Guruji is not talking about Physical body when becoming suhagan ."
Does only a part of the human existence become Suhaagan marrying God?
Quote "As per History available Guru ji were also Married to spouse in thier life and also they wrote about being Suhagaan of GOD."
Does this happen at different times in a life or simultaneously?
Quote from Aad0002 Jee "I don't think Balbir's question is about any of this. If we are the Soul Bride, as both men and women are, and He is our Husband Lord, then are married Sikhs practicing bigamy?"
Is it all right for a Sikh to marry someone on physical level and marry God on other levels? Does the true Sikh live in duality?
Balbir Singh
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Balbir ji
Now I am in trouble with NamJap
Let me answer a question with a question. Is it all right for a Sikh to marry someone on a physical level and marry God on other levels, if Sikhism is a householder's religion?
At least 8 of the 10 Gurus were married and had children. I am not sure about Guru Angaad.
I am off the thread for now --  unless someone else says something that sounds as if it is going to really make a difference in my connection with Sikhism.
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05-05-2008, 05:28 AM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Hum Kirae Kiram Satgur Sarnai, Kar Daya Naam Pargaas.
Guru Ji says that we are like insects and worms until we come to His Grace and get the enlightenment from Naam.
Here's some info about wormholes :
Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen realized that general relativity allows the existence of “bridges,” originally called Einstein-Rosen bridges but now known as wormholes. These space-time tubes act as shortcuts connecting distant regions of space-time. By journeying through a wormhole, you could travel between the two regions faster than a beam of light would be able to if it moved through normal space-time. As with any mode of faster-than-light travel, wormholes offer the possibility of time travel.
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05-05-2008, 06:19 AM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!
Quote "Physical body follows the genetic urges of finding the opposite sex which is just natural duplication of life forms."
Did the true Gurus also appreciate the genetic urge of the physical body finding the opposite sex?
Quote "Worms and bacteria do not need sex education."
Human beings always claim to know Lord's creation.
Quote "you either enter a wormhole towards elevated consciousness or just live like an insect or worm."
Is it really your experience? Strange, some people are experts of the rest of the world.
Dasam Dwaar is above worm holes found within.
Quote from Aad0002 Jee " . . . if Sikhism is a householder's religion?"
I found many Sikhs living in Udaasee, as Nirmalee or as Nihungs. Divorced Sikhs are the most modern Sikhs.
Apart from this many householders living on earth may not be knowing what is Sikhism.
Quote "At least 8 of the 10 Gurus were married and had children. I am not sure about Guru Angaad."
Have Sikhs learned anything else from their true Gurus than imitating them on physical level?
Quote "I am off the thread for now -- unless someone else says something that sounds as if it is going to really make a difference in my connection with Sikhism."
The true Sikh is like the soft clay in the hands of the potter to receive the shape.
Better seek Truth accompanying the Naam. Do not follow your Guru Mustuk (Mind) Singh Khalsa.
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The curiosity raised is 'Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?'
I want to extend this query. Does your spouse feel fine with it when someone prepares his bed to share with God?
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Sikhi is not wearing symbols with a particular dress while chanting borrowed Hymns alone and seeking appreciation from others.
Balbir Singh
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05-05-2008, 06:23 AM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Balbir ji
I guess I am back.
I said Quote "At least 8 of the 10 Gurus were married and had children. I am not sure about Guru Angaad." End my quote
And you answered quote Have Sikhs learned anything else from their true Gurus than imitating them on physical level? End your quote.
Wow!
And I said Quote "I am off the thread for now -- unless someone else says something that sounds as if it is going to really make a difference in my connection with Sikhism." End my quote
And you answered Quote The true Sikh is like the soft clay in the hands of the potter to receive the shape. End your quote.
And if that potter is not Waheguru, then pray tell who?
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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.
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05-05-2008, 09:42 AM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Physical body follows the genetic urges of finding the opposite sex which is just natural duplication of life forms."
Did the true Gurus also appreciate the genetic urge of the physical body finding the opposite sex?
What makes you think True Guru (not True Gurus) is physical ?
Quote "At least 8 of the 10 Gurus were married and had children. I am not sure about Guru Angaad."
Have Sikhs learned anything else from their true Gurus than imitating them on physical level?
So now you've come to terms with the concept that Guru isn't physical. Hmm.... Are you OK?
Is it really your experience? Strange, some people are experts of the rest of the world.
Dasam Dwaar is above worm holes found within.
My experience is everything we perceive is a reflection of our inner state of development.
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05-05-2008, 05:09 PM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Aad0002 Jee!
Quote "And if that potter is not Waheguru, then pray tell who?!"
It depends when one recognizes God Potter. Most people find potters made of earthly matter.
Dear Namjap Jee,
I do not know the state of marriage less people. Marriage may be deadly or Godly. Rarely someone recognizes God's offer to marry HIM, the ring of Naam Simran.
Balbir Singh
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05-05-2008, 07:20 PM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Man is polygamous by Nature. To say, that one is not, is to admit something that is not a truth. However, there are exceptions to everything.
In my humble opinion the kind of the upbringing that Sikh boys have as per the value system provided by the family, they do not tend to be bigamous/polygamous either.
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05-05-2008, 11:12 PM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Dear Balbir Singh ji
Sat Sri Akal!
Quote:
Quote "May be Guruji is not talking about Physical body when becoming suhagan ."
Does only a part of the human existence become Suhaagan marrying God?
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May be one Seize to exist as seperate entity after becoming Suhagan of GOD
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Quote "As per History available Guru ji were also Married to spouse in thier life and also they wrote about being Suhagaan of GOD."
Does this happen at different times in a life or simultaneously?
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May be when one gets the wisdom of God and God himself it is called being Suhagan so at that stage may be their is no need of two spouses or duality to exist
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06-05-2008, 06:38 PM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!
Quote "Man is polygamous by Nature."
Man entangled with the multiplicity of Nature does not realize Nirgun Lord.
Quote "In my humble opinion the kind of the upbringing that Sikh boys have as per the value system provided by the family, they do not tend to be bigamous/polygamous either."
Is this a fact or a secret?
Quote from Jatinder Singh Jee "May be one Seize to exist as seperate entity after becoming Suhagan of GOD."
Suhaagan is joining ONE.
It is not existing as one separate entity.
One first sign is that He puts saliva into the mouth of the accepted Suhaagan.
Please listen. Gurdev is singing.
ਕੀਓ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੈ ਤਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਲੀਓ ਸੁਹਾਗਨਿ ਥੂਕ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਈਆ ॥੭॥
कीओ सीगारु मिलण कै ताई प्रभु लीओ सुहागनि थूक मुखि पईआ ॥७॥
kee-o seegaaru milan kai taa-ee parabhu lee-o suhaagan thook mukhi pa-ee-aa. ||7|| SGGS 836-10
Did makeup for the meeting Prabhu accepted Suhaagan receiving Saliva through the mouth.
Quote "May be when one gets the wisdom of God and God himself it is called being Suhagan so at that stage may be their is no need of two spouses or duality to exist."
How many lives Jeevs have lived expecting? The true Gurus never used the words 'may be'.
God is ONENESS. Duality or numerality is the illusion.
Balbir Singh
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06-05-2008, 07:42 PM
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Re: Are Sikhs inclined to bigamy?
ਕੀਓ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੈ ਤਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਲੀਓ ਸੁਹਾਗਨਿ ਥੂਕ ਮੁਖਿ ਪਈਆ ॥੭॥
कीओ सीगारु मिलण कै ताई प्रभु लीओ सुहागनि थूक मुखि पईआ ॥७॥
Kīo sīgār milaṇ kai ṯāī parabẖ līo suhāgan thūk mukẖ paīā. ||7||
(Translation by Sant Singh Khalsa)
She may adorn herself to meet her Husband Lord, but still, only the virtuous soul-bride meets God, and the other's face is spat upon. ||7||
(Translation by Manmohan Singh)
The bride bedecks herself to meet with her Spouse, but the chaste brides obtain the Lord and her face is spat at.
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