Contradictions of Opinion

There are different levels of your being. Naam exists in this level of reality, and in other dimensions as well. Just consider the physics of wave-particle duality. Even a sub-atomic particle which we imagine to be some kind of tiny object like a grain of sand, actually at those levels of size conform to quantum mechanics, not Newtonian laws. So it's not really perceivable as an object discrete in time and space. And that subatomic particle as well as being a particle which physicists can measure on a scale, is also a wave of energy. As the property of a wave, it is infinite in all directions.

Harjas Ji,

Waves being free energy while particles are bottled-up energy. The unmanifested and the manifested. Nirgun and Sargun.

Nirgun niroop hai, sundar swaroop hai, bhupan ke bhoop hai, data maha daan hai,
Praan ke devaiya, dhoodh poot ke devaiya........................................... ........

Only rehitvaan Gursikh Panj Piare who are Naam abiyaasi's can impart to someone the technique of Naam drirh at amrit sinchaar. No one but Panj Piare can impart this technique.

Does this mean that many are being short-changed when taking Amrit ?
Do those who hear the Anhad Bani qualify to become Naam abiyaasi's ?

Talking about Anhad Bani - can you define the sound - similar to what ?

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Namjap ji,

Heartfelt thanks to you for posting this. I get it. And I feel less alone with my convictions since I read this post.

I still only wear kara and read Sri Guru Granth Sahib and daily Hukamnama and am focusing in on remembering the name of God. I wear my kara because the Guru put it in my heart to do so and it was a very personal decision. Most of the time it can't even be seen or noticed by others and is my own reminder to me where ever I am and whatever I am doing. I have purchased dastar cloth and practice tying it and I have also purchased a kirpan. I am waiting for some Sunder Gutka and a couple of other texts in English I have ordered from India. The reason I don't wear the outer symbols of Sikhi yet is because I am not worthy to be a representative of Sikhi. I probably will never be worthy but for some reason I feel I should be more worthy than I am now.
See, this is all profoundly personal for me. The outer symbols, for me, need to be a sign of inner qualities and I would feel so much a hypocrit if I put on the outer before the inner substance was present.
I have sensed the things you spoke of when you said you had a sort of feeling of superiority when you first started putting on bana. I so much appreciate your honesty and humility about this because its very important to me. I like what Guruka Singh says about it when he says bana is something you should do for yourself, not for others. It is a reflection of your commitment, not to distinguish yourself.
As in all facets of life, the motivation behind an action is more important than most of us might realize. If the motivation is off kilter, then the action is hollow and cheapened. That's what I am so aware of and my love for Sikhi grows every day, as does my love for Guru Nanak, and the last thing I want to do is cheapen his message. I don't hesitate to wear the outer signs because I'm ashamed of what people will think -- I hesitate because I don't want to do it until I can back up bana with substance. When that time will come -- I'll leave that up to God.

Thank you so much -- sincerely.

svea00, your English is beautiful and I understood you quite well.

Backing bana with bani - balancing the inner with the outer. Amazing thought, Caroline Ji.

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Interesting, that the very Panj Piare that instruct you not to think of anyone except the Gurus as your savior are now being presented as the Guru. Wouldn't that be thinking of them as your savior?

For me the point of the OP is to be careful not to let legalism overtake us. Like bureauocracy, when the rule becomes more important that the purpose for which it was instituted, we have strayed off the path.

JMHO

Caroline Ji,

My understanding of the Initiation - that it's a sacred process. A one-to-5 Pyare imparting vibrations which are too strong for the unprepared individual to digest. The process of preparation like vows of commitment within one's self is in itself an initial cleansing process. Nobody can decide for you. It's your inner strength that leads you to it. This commitment has an effect which allows changes to occur in all directions of your life. The initiation itself is the seed of spiritual progress planted in your consciousness.

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Only rehitvaan Gursikh Panj Piare who are Naam abiyaasi's can impart to someone the technique of Naam drirh at amrit sinchaar. No one but Panj Piare can impart this technique. Does this mean that many are being short-changed when taking Amrit ?

Well obviously someone can't give what they don't have. Amrit is amrit per SGPC Rehat Maryada. But not all the Panj have this technique, so not all can impart it to you. It is a point of contention within the Panth. My belief is this was purataan Gursikh practice which was lost to the Panth. There are some supportive references to it in historical Sikh literature and Gurbani. It's a gupt practice, so it's in the Panth, but not that well known and accepted. I can't personally judge or devalue anybody's amrit or any Panj Piare. If you had amrit, then you're amritdhari. But I do believe Naam abiyaas Vaheguru simran is a valid method of liberation. If someone is amritdhari and themselves feel something is missing from their spiritual practice, I invite those persons to consider receiving Naam drihr from Panj Piare so they can do Naam abiyaas.

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Do those who hear the Anhad Bani qualify to become Naam abiyaasi's ?

If someone already hears the Anhad bani, his dasm duar is already opened. No one qualifies to become Naam abiyaasi, it is a technique given to you when you receive amrit from rehitvaan Naam abiyaasi Panj. If someone is a Naam abiyaasi, it just means they have a technique of japping Gurmantar for purposes of opening the tenth door with Guruji's kirpa. Like someone who just got to the classroom. If someone hears the Anhad bani he is already graduated college and is already Naam abiyaasi. Plus, not everyone heard the Anhad bani who says they do. A lot of fake babas and deravaad people get a technique from dedhari gurus, but they don't receive the Naam. You can only receive Naam from Panj Piare who are Guruji's own saroop.

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Talking about Anhad Bani - can you define the sound - similar to what ?

It is not a physical sound... and I don't hear it, so what can I say? Lol.

But I will say this much, people hear a lot of contention about Naam as their are different opinions in the Panth. But this is my experience: When I attended Naam simran with Naam abiyaasi's, I didn't know what I was hearing. And it was so loud and energetic. The room is dark and you hear these noises. It's a little unsettling. I tried to imitate what I was hearing because I wanted to participate, but I couldn't duplicate it. And at home at amrit vela, I tried doing this simran on my own, but was basically just japping Vaheguru and breathing in and out. And it felt like nothing at all.

Then I took amrit, and this is what happened. I was scared through the whole thing and couldn't wait for it to end... because it was hours long and I was so nervous. (I know, maybe there's some tough, fearless people out there but wasn't me) So I assure you my mind was on just staying in the right position and stuff and not fall over. There was no thinking, "oh now, in front of the Panj, I'm going to stop and do Naam abiyaas." Lol, last thought from my mind.

And at the end, where the Panj pushed my head so I would bend forward and touch the ground to matatek to Guruji, something happened. As soon as my forehead touched the floor, Naam abiyaas was coming out of me. And I mean so intense and so loud and so fast that it took over an hour, maybe 2 hours to calm that energy down. There were abiyaasi's there to help us all calm the energy down but it took a long time. It wasn't something I was doing at all. It's something that gets imparted into you. And it will knock you out of yourself. I really don't know what happened. It hit like a bolt of lightning. And then at some point I landed. I don't even know how I was walking around. Because this thing was just happening to me.


~bhul chak maaf

Is Guruji capable of imparting Naam to whom he pleases? I thought this was something that came from inside and not outside and was only imparted to us by the Guru's grace.

Kind of like this: YouTube - What is Guru?

Thanks for your patience