If you want to kill a religion then you don't need Aurangzeb liberals like Amar will do this job in few years

Amar and sinister it is not your duty to tell sikhs whether they should wear helmets or not
Some sikhs will find no objection in it while others will even stop driving 2 wheelers as they beleive that wearing helmets is against it.

When other religions are getting rights then why sikhs can't get special rights.

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<<Amar and sinister it is not your duty to tell sikhs whether they should wear helmets or not
Some sikhs will find no objection in it while others will even stop driving 2 wheelers as they beleive that wearing helmets is against it.

When other religions are getting rights then why sikhs can't get special rights.>>

its my duty to defend the law, even if vocally, when some stupid religious fanatic wants to whip up public opinion to suit his ends.

and if you have read all my posts, i do it against all religious bigots, irrespective of their religion

what special rights?

its clearly given as a special right that turban wearing sikhs are exempt from wearing helmet.

why should patka qualify as a protective headgear?

90% of road accident deaths happen due to head injury. helmets save lives and also legal hassles for people who get into accidents. one person's recklessness of not wearing helmet might lead another person to long sentences if there is a death in accidents.



too much fanaticism makes stoneheads, so maybe they can be exempt


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If you want to kill a religion then you don't need Aurangzeb liberals like Amar will do this job in few years>>

thanks KDS ji

i actually take it as a compliment.

Guru Nanak actually started out to say no to religions and their fanatic dogmas, not create another

Some people beleive that patka is also small dastaar.so now government will decide which type of turban sikhs should wear.

If you are so worried about India then start a camgaign that indian government should allow cow slaughter and export of beef.because according to many economists indian economy is bearing burden of keeping useless cows and oxen some beleive that burden is as high as 18000 crore rupees per year.Also it promotes illegal exports of cattle to pakistan and bangladesh.

Guru nanak in his 6th form introduced concept of miri and piri in Sikhism and its quite clear that sikhs were following code of conduct before guru gobind singh ji.so no government can stop sikhs to follow Sikh code of conduct to sikhs who want to follow them

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<<Guru nanak in his 6th form introduced concept of miri and piri in Sikhism and its quite clear that sikhs were following code of conduct before guru gobind singh ji.so no government can stop sikhs to follow Sikh code of conduct to sikhs who want to follow them>>

can you provide a reference from Guru Nanak or any other Guru's writings or SGGS that patka = dastaar = Sikh

its the Pagg = Sikh discussion again

patka is a dastaar


well

this is like those guys who get their beards formed(by slow burn of hair) rather than cutting..

height of hypocrisy

cows were a poor attempt of diversion

i have to agree. patkas are designed for playing sports, nothing more. they do not offer any protection at all to the head. at slow street speeds, i think a turban would offer some protection (some styles more than others!) in a minor crash. a patka would not. if the person is so against wearing a turban, they can either figure out a way to tie their patka so they can wear a helmet too (ie: joodha in the back), or they can simply not ride. it makes perfect sense to me.

the law says turbaned sikhs don't have to wear a helmet because the turban is required by SRM. there's nothing in SRM about a patka. and there's also nothing in SRM against wearing protective headgear, only hats (specifically topi, i think). and motorcycle helmet is certainly not a topi.

in my state, there is no helmet law at all, for anyone. my preference is to wear a very compact keski with a helmet over the top. in very slow-casual riding situations, a dumalla or very round dastaar will do (without the helmet).

i CAN understand why people want the right to wear their Guru-given dastaar when they ride. i cannot understand why people want to ride around with absolutely no protection for their heads.

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So you want to say that sikhs were foolishly wearing turbans despite the fact it was not at all prescribed by any Sikh guru.what about rehat.I think you should discuss this issue with vijaydeep singh ji if he visit this site.

Anyway majority of sikhs beleive that without dastaar a person is not Sikh and you can't change their thinking.The main issue here is not whether dastaar=pagg the main issue is right of Sikh = not wearing helmet

Not at all just showing you even economy could suffer because some people's sentiment get hurt.While here a Sikh is endangering his life not of other.

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Thin turbans too can't provide any protection.college going sikhs these days wear patka's because they have to do lot of fun.

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Rehat Maryada says 5 Ks.
That helmet is awesome.

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yeap your right 100%

ill just sit back and let mother nature deliver that message for me.

modern helmets provide significantly more protection because of the hardness of the carbon-fiber shell...the impact energy is converted into vibrations and then absorbed by the inner layers of hard foam and then by the soft cushions lining your head. (you also have your skin, skull and CSF fluid for further cushioning of the brain)
a turban cannot provide the harder outer shell protection. A turban also has a knack of coming off when it is tied loosely and experiences high G acceleration. Most turbans expose the areas on the anterior of the parietal bone (on the top of your cranium)...im talking about serious damage...the anterior fontanelle and sagittal suture are left exposed (these are the weak areas within your skull)...the turban provides minimal protection to the occipital bone, parietal and frontal eminence.



anyways
its just not safe thats all...although you should be free to wear whatever you wish. just dont complain when they are scraping pieces of your brain, off the freeway.

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so what did college going sikhs wear before patkas were invented? they've only been around, what, 30-40 years, right?

sorry, i don't buy that. patkas are for kids or cricketers... while they're playing cricket. they have no place on the head of a man with a beard. it's just weird. and it's certainly not a turban, so shouldn't substitute for a helmet.


if i were riding without a helmet, nothing less than a 7+ meter dumalla would do for me. trust me, there's lots of padding there.
however, it certainly wouldn't help in a crash over 30 mhp or so. small keski + full face helmet is best, in my opinion.

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