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| | | | | Re: Who is Really a Sikh Sikh80 - Did not take more than a few minutes to discover that free will is actually an ancient concept. It was discussed by the Roman philosopher Lucretius, who studied the thinking of the Greek philosopher Epicurus. Philosphers after Lucretius claimed that free-will was the origin of ordinary consciousness or the ability to know Nature. Later Schopenhauer (German philosopher) was to state that consciousness was the Will to Know, that without the Will to Know human intellect was not more than that of a lower animal.
Of course all this is about day to day intellect, not consciousness of something greater than our experience of maya. And these thinkers are talking about ordinary mind, knowledge of material reality -- not in spiritual terms per se. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/18581-who-is-really-a-sikh.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18581
Another interesting find: The Protestant theologian John Calvin (16th Century CE) said this,
“Concerning the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we must hold, that it was prohibited to man, not because God would have him to stray like a sheep, without judgment and without choice; but that he might not seek to be wiser than became him, nor by trusting to his own understanding,
cast off the yoke of God....And this is the origin of freewill, that Adam wished to be independent..”
And more interesting, Guru Nanaak Dev ji in Sri Raag said this, AMqir lwgI jil buJI pwieAw gurmuiK igAwnu ]1] rhwau ] Will send translation if requested by pm.
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20-Dec-2007, 18:36 PM
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| | | | | Re: Who is Really a Sikh Thanks aad200 ji for enlightening post.
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Can anyone enlighten if Sikhism contain
the concept Of Free will?
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10-Jan-2008, 22:21 PM
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| | | | | Re: Who is Really a Sikh Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikh80 Thanks aad200 ji for enlightening post.
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Can anyone enlighten if Sikhism contain
the concept Of Free will?
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sikhism has the illusion of free will.  we all know about karma... ape beej ape hi kahu (what you sow, you shall reap)
but we're also told: vada sahib vadi nai kita ja ka hovai... (great is the master, whatever happens is according to his will).
ultimately, everything is god's will. however, we feel that we have free will, we act as if we have free will, and we receive benefit or punishment according to our karma.
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| | | | | Re: Who is Really a Sikh It does.
But The theory Of karma in sikhism is vague as the timings of the fructification is not specified nor is it clear as to what will we be reaping as to what we sow. Karmic theory is not a copy Of Gita as well that gives in lenght the science Of soul and karmas. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18581Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18581
Sikhism is ,like many religions,full Of pre-ordained, HIS Grace, HIS will, HIs Hukum, HIS Naam/H IS simran/HIS DEVOTION/HIS KEERTAN and even then... no result is specified. It is not hypothetical but one would be required to develop a great faith and that also is stated to be as per his Grace.
U R Right there is no free will here in sikhi. | 
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